Posts by Miles3

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Raising Children as a UBM - looking for QFR and recent WT article(s)

by insearchoftruth in

not having any luck searching for this, i know there is a qfr that provides very specific guidance that a ubm if the 'head of household' is responsible for choosing the faith of the children.

i recall there being a recent wt article with similar information which i have also not been able to find, any help would be appreciated..... .

thanks!.

Miles3

Each time I hear that 'head of household' expression, I want to bash a GB member's head on their desk. If they want so much to live in a Conan the barbarian fantasy, I should be allowed to help go all the way.

As for WTLibrary, no Mac version. It's probably developped in Visual Basic anyway...

Your best bet would be running it through the free Wine or, if it hasn't been ported to OSX, Crossover, which is the commercial version. Both are programs that allow Windows-only software to run on Linux and Mac, so you install one of them on your Mac first, then you pop in the WTLibrary cd and install it through it.

Else if you've got a Windows license around you can install the full Windows in Virtual Box or VMWare, but that's more complex and not as convenient.

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For seekers - how to personally find God and hear him speak

by Fernando in

please ignore this thread if you are not looking for god.

this thread is for seekers, and for those who have found god to share their insights and experience.. the unabridged gospel message was designed as a map that leads to a personal relationship with the "god of abraham" (yahweh) through a direct relationship with jesus (as our one and only mediator).. as such it is the exact opposite of the message called "religion" which leads instead to a personal relationship and intimacy with the "god of religion" (satan the devil who transforms himself into an angel of light) and his religious organisations, hierarchies, clergy, sanhedrins and pharisees.. two key bible passages highlight this antithetical relationship: matthew 23 (religion, self-righteousness) versus romans 3 & 4 (the gospel, especially imputed righteousness or justification, similar to imputed holiness or sanctification).. a useful starting point may be to find and mark the 152-odd times that the bible refers to the "good news" or "gospel" depending on which translation.

the watchtower library search tool can be useful for this.

Miles3

Wizard of Oz, I know of a certain judge that found a faster method

rutherford

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Those who still show up at the meetings, How do you manage?.

by Mr Facts in

for those who still show up at the meetings, how do you manage?.

do you still offer comments and how do you actually muster up the boldness to gave talks and still do all of those craps?..

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Miles3

@bigmac

So your dumb as hell judgemental first post was also you trying to fit the pattern of the boring loser?

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Those who still show up at the meetings, How do you manage?.

by Mr Facts in

for those who still show up at the meetings, how do you manage?.

do you still offer comments and how do you actually muster up the boldness to gave talks and still do all of those craps?..

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Miles3

bigmac

very true cofty---but i cant fathom how any MAN--the head of the household----can continue with the charade of attending meetings if he simply doesnt believe the lies anymore---if he stays away--and backs up his stance with common-sense reasoning---then he has a slim chance of rescuing his family from the clutches of this evil religion.

Oh, so not only judgemental, but also bronze age sexist?

Nobody, man or woman, is the "head" of the househould, unless they're a single parent. Both spouses are free adults, and there's no freaking nead for a "head". Unlike what the Watchtower Machist and Cavemen Society pretends, there's no need for one to have the red button in a relationship, even when the 2 do not agree on something. It's called communication and compromise, no need for a little prick to feel that if he doesn't get the last word his wedding is going to sink.

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Should you ever tell tour aging parents the truth about the truth

by Star tiger in

since finding out the truth about the truth myself and having successfully extricated myself and my parents about the jw's, i find myself with a new dilema that being they still believe the bible as a literal book for their salvation as i has read all of thomas paines works and how the bible is not very good for the human family, as they are of advancing years would it be inappropriate to shatter their illusions of some kind of paradise and let them flounder in a moral precipice and wonder what their lives have been about.

on the flip side once their time has come how would i feel for not telling them their false views.

at the moment i am in the deist point of view, with a tendency of the agnostic, it is quite a dilema!.

Miles3

I'd give them the gift of choice, instead of deciding for them. They are free beings, they are worth the truth if they want to discover it.

Just ask them if they'd prefer knowing a truth even if it might hurt them greatly, or keep with what they've always beleived.

I know for myself even if I was in their situation and was to die in the next few days, month or years, I'd want to know the truth, and would actually punch in the face any so-called friend that knew something like that but tried to hide it from me.

Even people that have a terminal ilness and only a few month to live can still achieve a lot - do some of the things that always really mattered for them but that they always postponed. Even with a few hours, I'd spend them reading a lot about the subject, and would be allowed to realign my past life with reality.

Some atheists have the feeling the truth has nothing to offer for comfort, unlike religion, and are afraid to leave people with nothing. That is because they themselves haven't yet developped a compeling narrative, not because life as an atheist leaves you with nothing. Life through reality's lens is wonderful, and inscribing yourself in the "greatest show on earth" is far more compeling than some myth developped thousand of years ago by people who where the antic conterpart of today's abusive cults. Even when you have only a few days, month or years to incribe yourself in it, it can give a real sense to your past life that your previous belief system never had in any convincing way.

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Are you sowing seeds of doubt among the RF?

by jam in

jw
friends

for those who are still in, are you dropping little hints.

among your friends , this is not the truth.

i realize you must.

Miles3

That's the only reason I didn't send a disassociation letter. I'm planning on having some long JC + appeal sessions eventually, but before that there's plenty of rank and file that deserve to be given an informed choice more than a few elders. So I'm doing the minimal to still have access to people I know. It's going to take time to see everyone I care about, because first the bulldozer appoach doesn't work, and second I'm still trying to get a life, and that's a priority.

I don't need the Borg in my life, nor anybody still mentally in. There's no real friendship in a high control group.

I don't condomne supporting the scam and contributing to the mind control though, even for the sake of familly. Since that's what public talks and other parts from servants do, I certainly won't give them, nor go preaching or give comments at the KH, except when those comments represent the ugly thruth and can help the less asleep wake up a bit.

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Why am I so special?

by Wayward Son in

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friends

if we are to accept that intelligence plays no part in wether or not we become duped into a cult, then the same rule must apply to those who wake up and make an exit.. so why am i so special?

i had basically the same experiences as my family and i am the only one out.

i don't claim to be some towering intelect, but even if i were it shouldn't matter.

Miles3

First, intelligence varies in the same familly, whether due to genetical or environmental causes. But our own bodies also play a great role, people with a stonger natural resistance to fatigue and sickness may have an easier time being confident in themselves - and a minimal level of confidence is important when getting out from the borg. Chemical or hormonal balances will mean someone will be more or less swayed by either logic or sentimental pressures - when your body rewards you by producing a contented/happy/at peace feeling when you're doing something, you'll be inclined to keep at it, even if that activity is objectively harmfull - like being easily swayed by the group's opinion. You will even start to justify it, and consider things as "logical" and "true" because of what they make you feel, instead of their inherent value. I'm no psy, but I don't think you need to be one to recognise that each familly sees different personnality types among their kids.

Then even in the same familly our experiences are different. You didn't have the same classmates as your brothers and sisters, and even your parents didn't raise any of you siblings the same as the others - parents learn with the eldest some things don't work, and adjust them for the other ones. Or parents get older and have less energy giving a consistent education, or they have more kids thus less time to give to their kids at a time where one is a teenager and the other still a preteen - thus inpacting each kid in a different manner.

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What does the society have to say about neanderthal man?

by LunaFing in

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Miles3

Thanks guys for all the info. Seems like the WT doesn't have anything recent to say about this topic. I was hoping to ambush my Mom or one of my sisters and see what they had to say. They have hounded me to come back to "the truth" for a long, long, time....*sigh* I want to corner them on a subject they know nothing about and watch them squirm!

Why not corner them with Noah's Flood? Nothing makes less sense than the story of the flood, and you can show how stupid the WT explanations are on all levels. Or if you prefer bones, what about the fact we've found hundreds of human fossils far older than Adam & Eve - and when they resort to the C14 fallacy, don't just teach them the other datation methods that concur, take the quote from the Bible Word of God or Word of man book and show them how the Society lies about Hitching being a scientist when even his books show him as only a journalist - dealing with the supernatural...

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Questions Young Ones Ask... What would you do with your life?

by garyneal in

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friends

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waioj24dvbm.

did anyone see this video?

i've seen it before but my wife wanted to watch it again last night.

Miles3

As Sulla pointed, running can lead to scholarships, and it's a slippery slope from scholarships to Universities and their dideased world of diplomas.

If God wanted us to think, he would have given us a brain. Think about it. Or, better, don't think about it.

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"Get out of the bleachers and into the game"... Memorial 2012 demonstration.

by koolaid-man in

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friends

now is a good time to start making preparations for the memorial night demonstration at your kingdom hall thursday, april 5, 2012, after sundown.. close to 20 million people will attend this annual global witness event including active witnesses, relatives and friends of witnesses, bible studies,return visits and still attached former witnesses.

the evils of the watchtower org.have to be exposed and this is an ideal time to do it.. many around the world have been adversely affected by their association with jehovah's witnesses and you can be an instrumental force by standing tall and courageously exposing the watchtower organization.. there is no better way to let the watchtower know your revulsion than to broadcast and present your view by standing fearlessly, demonstrating in front of a kingdom hall.. i am fully aware that a handful of the internet therapists who post on this forum will not agree with this method of unmasking the watchtower.. those intolerant, contemptuous critics who will comment on this thread making harsh judgements and finding fault with those who protest are perhaps deep-down wishing they had the backbone to stop hiding in cyber-space, step away from their computer and "get out of the bleachers and into the game" .

lets make this a global event!......

Miles3

Who are you koolaid-man? You sound exactly like the typical elder... if you are still an active Witness like you sound, what are you doing on this forum? Not that you shouldn't, hopefully you don't just start hateful threads but stay and read a bit, that way you might discover the truth about the WT you worship so much... and eventually turn back into a decent human being.

There is hope for everyone koolaid-man, so don't give up on yourself. Some of us where like you when we were still in the organisation.