Posts by msil

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Civility

by msil in

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is it necessary to resort to the schoolyard talk and name-calling every time someone says something, which is in disagreement with you, or is something you don't agree with?.

interestingly, some of the more "knowledgeable" persons on here seem do be the first to resort to these measures.

do they feel like they are better than the next person?.

msil

Alan,

It is quite easy to explain. You know how cookies and session variables work?

There is a bug in the chat code...when we speak on the phone in the future I can explain it.

Although I am getting tired of this perpetual witch hunt.

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Douglas Walsh Trial

by msil in

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anyone know if the full transcripts are online?.

the pieces i have read are fascinating!!!.

thanks

msil

Anyone know if the full transcripts are online?

The pieces I have read are fascinating!!!

thanks

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Civility

by msil in

jw
friends

is it necessary to resort to the schoolyard talk and name-calling every time someone says something, which is in disagreement with you, or is something you don't agree with?.

interestingly, some of the more "knowledgeable" persons on here seem do be the first to resort to these measures.

do they feel like they are better than the next person?.

msil

Kent,

I told you why I had to create a second ID.

The old one is retired and no longer in use.

Thanks

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Civility

by msil in

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friends

is it necessary to resort to the schoolyard talk and name-calling every time someone says something, which is in disagreement with you, or is something you don't agree with?.

interestingly, some of the more "knowledgeable" persons on here seem do be the first to resort to these measures.

do they feel like they are better than the next person?.

Civility

by msil in

jw
friends

is it necessary to resort to the schoolyard talk and name-calling every time someone says something, which is in disagreement with you, or is something you don't agree with?.

interestingly, some of the more "knowledgeable" persons on here seem do be the first to resort to these measures.

do they feel like they are better than the next person?.

msil

Is it necessary to resort to the schoolyard talk and name-calling every time someone says something, which is in disagreement with you, or is something you don't agree with?

Interestingly, some of the more "knowledgeable" persons on here seem do be the first to resort to these measures. Why is that? Do they feel like they are better than the next person?

One of the aspects of mind control used by the dubs is prejudice. They are prejudiced against anything that they don't come up with or anything that is outside of their comfort level. It seems as if many are still under this influence and still need to break free. AS LONG AS YOU ARE SO QUICK TO LABEL OTHERS AND CATEGORIZE THEM YOU ARE STILL NO FREE!!

Just because the number of posts someone has made may be low that doesn't make their input irrelevant.

The bigmouths are going to have bad days when they are feeling raw and want some mental/emotional support. What response will you want at that time? You might have tough personal circumstances and now all of a sudden the people you have treated like dirt have to feel sorry for you...

Well I hope that when you do experience these times (and you definitely will) that everyone else (including those you have scorned and called names) will treat you with the utmost graciousness and not treat you as you have treated them. Perhaps then you might see and feel the support everyone needs and in turn you might also learn to realize that EVERYBODY has personal circumstances and hardships going on and nastiness just makes decent people think less of you - even if they do find the humor in what you say.

Peace to all of you.

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the new personality

by msil in

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i would like to start a discussion thread as it relates to mind control and the tactics which are used.

"brothers, keep on putting on the new peronality..." - how well do you remember that?.

suggested discussions are:.

msil

Hey Anchor,

You got a problem dude? This is a discussion forum. If you want to then how about you go and stare at a blank wall?

I have done that enough in the meetings for over 30 years!! Perhaps you need more of it.

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So What Sort Of Dogs Are These?

by Englishman in

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i took this pic last week on the family farm in bonnie scotland.

her ladyship is busily munching on her toast and marmalade whilst 2 of the dogs watch and drool.. my question is this: both the dogs are top pedigree animals and weigh in at 140 pounds each.

can you identify the breed?.

msil

Sir Bedivere: "using the logic that if it equates to a duck it can therefore float and must be a witch!! Or is is a small pebble after all?"

Burn it!! Burn it!! Burn it!!

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So What Sort Of Dogs Are These?

by Englishman in

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friends

i took this pic last week on the family farm in bonnie scotland.

her ladyship is busily munching on her toast and marmalade whilst 2 of the dogs watch and drool.. my question is this: both the dogs are top pedigree animals and weigh in at 140 pounds each.

can you identify the breed?.

msil

Webbed feet...

Is it the AFLAC duck in dogs clothing?

Oh sorry that is an American reference again!!

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Motives

by msil in

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what are your motives for being here?.

1. to get information.

2. to slam the wtbs at every opportunity.

msil

Anchor - I answered his challenge.

I am now witing for him to answer mine!! Care to take a crack at it yourself?

If you don't like my questions then don't answer them.

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Feeling So Alone

by troubled in

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i have to post tonight.

i'm feeling so alone.

stopped here at the library to post this, on my way to the book study.

msil

Dear Troubled,

Just try to take it one day at a time for now. As you can see their are many of us on here who are lonely. I am constantly surrounded by other people but I have no one to pour my heart out to either. The only thing I can do is to take one day at a time too and I find it really helpful to try and enjoy the smaller timgs in life right now.

I share your feeling about just wanting to burst into tears because felling like you don't fit in with a belief system is just so hard - especially if you have invested many years in it and have faithfully followed the counsel of not having any association/friends outside of the organization. Do you have any friends outside of the organization? Are your parents JW's too?

One thing that has helped me is knowledge. Knowledge is power and the more knowledge you have about what is happening to you the better off you will be. As Witnesses we strive to adhere to the counsel of "putting on the new perosnality" don't we? Is the new personality really you? The reason why I ask is because trying to live as someone else can really make you feel lonely and depressed especially when you feel like you are failing. Most of us do not realize that the "new personality" is not really us and when we fail or feel unhappy as this "new person" we get down on ourselves. We are taught to do that too aren't we? Don't we always feel like we aren't doing enough? Don't we always feel like we are sinning because we miss meetings? Or perhaps our field service is below the national average? Or perhaps our prayers aren't being answered and therefore we must have a "lack of faith"? Or perhaps we have a sin which we have not confessed? I could go on for pages and pages in this regard...

The point being if we feel like we are falling down then we start to feel unworthy. If we feel we are unworthy then we feel like we are not sure we will make it through Armageddon or that our children will die because of our actions...

Troubled these are symptoms of Mind Control at work. I know that is a horrible concept and I know each of us feels that we are thinking for ourselves - most of us are intelligent people (we have been trained to study and to memorize things haven't we?). But the sad fact is that it is true.

When I first thought about the fact that I might be a subject of a mind control operation I quickly dismissed it. I thought to myself that "I am not brainwashed!!! I am a person with a very high IQ and I am successful - how can I be under mind control?"

Then I read a book by Robert Cialdini. It is entitled "Influence - the Psychology of Persuasion".

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0688128165/qid=996806281/sr=2-1/104-6765175-6708760

I encourage you to read it. Do not worry it is not on the "apostate reading list" - in fact I have never even seen it mentioned here. Dr Cialdini is currently Regent Professor of Psychology at Arizona State University - not some apostate or guy affiliated with cults.

I promise all of you that it is the most important piece of work on the subject of mind control ever written. I encourage you to read the chapters on Social Proof, Reciprocation and Authority. While reading those chapters think about your interractions with other Witnesses and your thoughts as a Witness. Then ask yourself if that describes you - are you the subject of these chapters? I was and in some ways I still am. But once I realized what was going on I was able to look for these techniques and they no longer had any effect on me and I was then able to start thinking for myself for the first time in over 30 years. Once you can start thinking for yourself then you can start being yourself and figuring out who you REALLY are. Troubled, you are not a robot or a sheep (I mean a blind follower by that) - you are a thinking feeling human being who needs to have true meaning in your life based upon the way you feel about yourself. as long as you are trying to fit some other mould you will never find the happiness you so desperately want and DESERVE. We all desrve to be free and we all deserve to be happy.

Learn that mind control is the source of your depression. I am not going to be an authority figure and tell you to leave the Witnesses or to stay a Witness. You will have to reach whatever conclusion you need to on your own. You have to know that you are a proper individual - afree individual that feels they make a real contribution to society and your family without the guilt or fear associated from having to live and dance to a tune that does not fit who you really are.

The real you is alive!! Have no fear I promise you that the REAL you exists -- in fact you know the real you exists right now - that's the "other" person inside you that is needing to be released - the REAL you is telling you that YOU need to listen - just like any other part of you does - for instance when your body is run down it gets sick and makes you feel a certain way doesn't it - it is telling you to "eat right and/or get exercise and take better care of me!!"? Well our personality is just the same - if our REAL personality is being constricted by some "OTHER" personality the REAL one will Tell you all about it.

I have more but I want you to think about what I have said so far. Perhaps what I have written will affect you....if it does empower yourself take in knowledge of the way the human peronality works. You will find many people telling you to read books about cults....you aren't ready for them. The word "cult" is a dirty word to us. Please read about what Robert Cialdini has to say - if you like I can continue to use specific material from his work and try to show you or any others how "personality conditioning" affects us and together we can find ways to release the REAL personality - the free personality which can grow and can can start to enjoy our lives.