Posts by Mum

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Who are considered as being wicked by JW's?

by Sour Grapes in

during the public talk last week the elder giving the talk.

mentioned the tragedy in newton, conn where an evil.

man killed 27 innocent people including 20 children.

Mum

All who inhale and exhale.

Regards,

SandraC

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THE OX and THE TRUTH

by Terry in

sometimes an ox gets sick and dies.. .

when your ox dies you don't just lose an ox.. nope.. you lose all the money you spent on that ox.. you lose all the feed you ever fed it.. you lose the time spent taking care of it.. this includes any veteranarian bills as well.. you can't eat the meat from a dead sick ox either, so, you lose the meal or the sale of the meat as well!.

what about using that chain of reasoning on the truth (or so-called) of jehovah's witnesses.. .

Mum

The borg is the first to point the finger at Roman Catholicism for the same thing! I remember a talk at the KH after it became okay for Catholics to eat meat on Friday, in which the speaker cited a cartoon showing the Devil in hell asking something like, "What am I supposed to do with all these people who are down here for eating meat on Friday?"

I pity the GB when and if they have to meet their maker.

Regards,

SandraC

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Fake money in contribution boxes

by enigma1863 in

someone posted a great idea i felt should have its own discussion thread.

i think it would be really cool if we could get people around the country or world to donate fake money in the contribution boxes that have thought provoking messages.

kinda like money tracts.

Mum

This thread reminds me of the time my father-in-law got a solicitation in the mail from some fake evangelist begging for donations. He sent a postage-paid envelope with it. We stuffed it with play money and mailed it back. I think it's a good idea to let the borg run on play money, too.

Regards,

SandraC

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RipV Winkles - Word Phrases NOT TO BE Confused With Similar Words Phrases

by rip van winkle in

ripv winkles - word phrases not to be confused with similar words phrases.

~~~ or what i didnt know until i dipped my toe in a jw discussion pool~~~ .

ad hominem- appealing to peoples emotions and beliefs rather than logic or reason.

Mum

I did take a university cours in Logic. The textbook was the one by Copi. If I recall correctly, we learned that "ad hominem" meant "against the man," i.e., it attempts to discredit the individual rather than the argument he/she is making. An example would be discrediting what someone said by calling him/her a "sidewalk psychologist" or something similar.

I'm not saying "ad hominem" is not what you said, rvw, but am just letting you know the way I learned it, or a different perspective.

Regards,

SandraC

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Has anyone seen this? The old guys in NY give their thoughts on IN Vitro fertilization

by wha happened? in

so giving your fertilized egg to a surrogate is pornia.

Mum

They flip-flopped on immunizations, then, apparently, on organ transplants. Sooner or later, they'll flip-flop on this one, too. After all, at some point, we have to accept what is.

Regards,

SandraC

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I love making the JWs feel so uncomfortable!!! :D

by TimothyT in

i dont go out of my way to do it but when they pass me in the street i just cant help myself!

it's hilarious!

today i popped to the train station to pick up some tickets and on the way back i noticed an elder's car parked near the local cafe.

Mum

Being cordial to them when they won't speak to you makes you the better person. They are the ones being cretins, so they should be the ones who look the part they are playing. Good job, Tim.

Regards,

SandraC

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Books that make you go hmm....

by jgnat in

jw
friends

it's occurred to me that i have been reshaped by the books i have read, taking my new knowledge for granted, and forgetting that those around me have not been on the same journey.

as a consequence sparks fly, as iron sharpening iron, as we strive to understand each other (or to insist that we are not the same).

there are a few books that stand out, as i refer to them over and over again.

Mum

Here's a play I recommend. It's "Rhinoceros" by Eugene Ionesco, a work of the French "theater of the absurd." It was written as an anti-Nazi worik, but it applies to all groupthink movements.

Regards,

SandraC

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Books that make you go hmm....

by jgnat in

jw
friends

it's occurred to me that i have been reshaped by the books i have read, taking my new knowledge for granted, and forgetting that those around me have not been on the same journey.

as a consequence sparks fly, as iron sharpening iron, as we strive to understand each other (or to insist that we are not the same).

there are a few books that stand out, as i refer to them over and over again.

Mum

The book that gave me the courage to think for myself and leave the JW's was "Your Erroneous Zones" by Dr. Wayne Dyer.

Another great one is "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer. It explains why people join collective movements, such as feelings of inadequacy and the need to be part of something bigger than themselves.

I also recommend "The Art of Racing in the Rain" which is narrated by the family dog. Dog lovers have to read this one!

Regards,

SandraC

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Help!!!

by marriedtoajw in

jw
friends

i have come here for any advice and support that anyone can give and i really need it now.

i don't talk about these issues with my siblings anymore because they have already told me that they have no advice and can't help.

feelings of anxiety have been overwhelming me the lat 2 years and it makes me feel like a scared little child.

Mum

Being married to a JW can be extremely challenging. They look upon you as an "unbeliever" even though it is clear that you have been brought up as a Christian, and manifest more Christian love than all of them combined. What is considered normal in the larger society (e.g., birthday parties, higher education) is looked down upon by members of cults.

Of course, you are doing the right thing by putting your children first. I recommend that you expose them to experiences that few JW's enjoy, such as trips to museums, baseball games, school dances and extracurricular activities. If you are a reader, share with them the imaginary adventures and great insights from good books and magazines. Encourage them to widen their horizons rather than narrow them, as JW's would do. Encourage them to take personality and vocational interest tests to find out what they might be good at as a career or hobby. Encourage a wide variety of interests, and encourage looking at divergent points of view about everything.

I appreciate your reluctance to get a divorce. If you do, insist on being an involved parent, not just every-other-weekend visitation. "Visiting" with your own children is a horrific concept, IMHO. Meanwhile, as others have recommended, counseling can be a great stress reliever. You don't have to have an alcoholic in the family to join Al-Anon or another 12-step program, which is very sound and helps one to accept reality.

Wishing you the best,

SandraC

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Are you still on a self improvement quest?

by Monsieur in

on another thread i asked about this life being all there is.

if so, what would you consider important to have done or accomplished before you die so that 'your time alive' would not have been a total waste?.

if you haven't done it, or accomplished it, are you currently on a quest to do so?

Mum

I would like to have artistic talent like jgnat.

I would like to learn Asian languages.

I would like to be a math and science whiz.

Most of all, I would like to be kinder and better every day.

There is much more I would like. I am 65 years old, so I'm very grateful at this point to be breathing in and out and eating regularly.

Regards,

SandraC