so for the first time that i am aware of it, in my twenty-six months in this house, a jw came to my door.
i ran to my office to grab the script i'd prepared to recite should a jw ever come by.
it turns out she was engaged in the tract campaign.
Someone knocked on my door and handed me the tract also. She told me there were questions on the front. I told her that some questions could not be answered. She told me that the ones on the tract would be. Then she rushed on, trying to get them all out in one day, I suppose.
SandraC
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/166570/1.ashx.
for everyone taking part in this years secret santa, here is the thread to post ideas about what you would like to receive.
this way when you get your name of who you are buying for you can come in here and look at what your person has posted.. .
Something small, such as jewelry, or something that is edible.
Thanks.
SandraC
witnesses are trained to believe they are right when speaking about the bible and their beliefs, even when reminded that their beliefs have been "adjusted" for "new light".. .
do jw's you know admit to being wrong on any point, whether or not bible related, or are the "always right" even when shown to be wrong?
My ex-elder ex-husband once told me that a Methodist minister "beat him" in an argument about doctrine. I think it was the Calvinist doctrine of "persistence of the saints" (usually referred to by others as "once saved, always saved"). I wish I could remember the way he related the story to me.
However, even though the Methodist minister won the argument using scripture, it never occurred to my ex that, in terms of Christian theology, the non-JW could have been right. It was apparently seen as an interesting discussion, but the guy who out proof-texted the would-be champion proof-texters didn't even get an acknowledgement that his point was well made and that there could be another way to look at it.
"My security blanket, full of holes or not."
Regards,
SandraC
as promised !.
for those that are new since last year we have done this for the last few years, what it involves is that those who want to join in will post to this thread and then pm me their name and address.
i will then collate the names and addresses and assign everyone a person to buy a gift for.
I'm in. This will be my second year. It was fun last year to get to know a little more about a couple of fellow posters.
Regards
SandraC
i've listened to a number of jws speak about the "new world" and it strikes me that many of them plan to carry a lot of materialistic and worldly expectations with them.
for example, i heard one lady complain about the williams' (venus and serena) success as tennis players, that they should be out there preaching and waiting to play tennis in the new world.
another one came from a visiting elder speaking at the local hall.
Your post is right on point to show that JW's do not have a spiritual life. They attend sales meetings in order to qualify to live in a society of shallow, robotic fruit consumers. Reaching for my higher self and exploring spirituality are some of the great benefits of being a "worldly" person.
Regards,
SandraC
the reason i did that was because my ex husband is being, abused by his present wife.
she beats him and puts him down at every oppourtunity, she steals his monthly goverment cheques and takes a trip and leaves him to fend for himself and he is suffering from ischemic mini strokes, she leaves him she doesn't feed him and he is so thin and sick.
i know i was married to him for 28 years and its was n't a good marriage but hell he doesn't deserve to be treated like he is a nothing.
Thank you for choosing to do the right thing, and not allowing yourself to be intimidated or given false information by the elders or anyone else.
Regards,
SandraC
here's one thing to start off our list: jws can't stand for the country's national anthem (but they can rise for the flag salute).
Can not, must not THINK or learn how to think or consider thinking
Never, ever RELAX
Never ENJOY LIFE (wanting to live forever steeped in boredom smiling at fruit seems "rewarding" to people with such dull, gray existences)
Never give UNCONDITIONAL LOVE
i was reading another thread about the witnesses so-called "pioneer school," and there occured to me the question as to why these people are called pioneers.
i may be wrong on this [and may someone please correct me if this is indeed the case], but to my knowledge, the word pioneer does not appear in any manuscript of the bible.
in any case, because my curiosity was piqued, i looked up the etymology, the "true root" meaning of the word.
A few years ago, Robert DeNiro (I think that's the right actor) starred in a movie called The Apostle. After seeing that film, I began to wonder about the definition of the title word. I looked up "apostle" in my Funk and Wagnalls (or Webster's, perhaps), and the definition began with, "a pioneer." So I was thinking that "pioneer" might be a presumptuous designation, as the JW's who studied with me said there could be any number of disciples but only the original 12 apostles.
Regards,
SandraC
so my move to a new city is now complete.
it comes at the expense of losing my wife and my life for the past 30 + years - i still somehow feel at peace.
my wife cheated on me.
Accepting responsibility for your own happiness is the beginning of wisdom. Welcome to freedom!
Regards,
SandraC
you have to understand three things to comprehend the significance of 1975.. 1975 was the end of the watchtower society as we who lived in the 50's and 60's once knew it.
it would forever change because it was exposed for all the world to see as a group of liars and deceived dupes.. it all began with a baptist farmer named william miller who sat down with only his bible and a concordance and a crackpot idea that a .
a "day for a year" and the gentile times meant something profound which would effect his own day and time.
Thanks for the memory, Terry. My memory is vivid about the 1967-1975 era. People were postponing medical and dental procedures. One of the brothers in about 1969 reminded us that there were no more than "90 months" left in the "old system." Everyone got excited about counting in terms of months. People were selling homes to live off the proceeds and pioneer. It was collective madness (read the theatre-of-the-absurd play Rhinocerosby Eugene Ionesco for a work on collective madness/anti-Naziism).
Although no one talked about the aftermath openly or honestly, I know that I had a nervous breakdown of sorts. I fell into a deep depression. I was not allowed to seek phychological or psychiatric help. So then my husband began to make false promises to me in order to get me to come out of the depression. His lies added to the borg's lies pushed me over the edge. I had to get away to get some perspective, to try to attain some level of sanity. How my poor daughter suffered as a result of having two such dysfunctional parents in a dysfunctional organization. It took a few years after leaving for me to realize that I had not been a part of anything "special" or any group of men that had some special pipeline to God. The trauma was almost more than I could bear. My daughter spent most of her childhood with her JW father, in part because I believed I was wrong and wanted what was right for her. What a fool I was!
Fortunately, most of my family never were JW's, and most of them behave as if the whole JW thing never happened. I was young enough to start my life over, and I now have a life that is joyful most of the time. There are still issues, but both my daughter and I are educated and able to work through our problems, accept what is, leaving the past behind. My JW ex hasn't even called his daughter for several years. She is tired of trying to maintain a relationship with him when he puts an organization above his own flesh and blood.
We should compile a book of individual stories of the aftermath of the 1975 debacle. I'm semi-retired, so if you want to write your story and send it to me, I will begin compiling them.
Regards,
SandraC
