Posts by mustang

My father decides to 'visit' me, supposedly to see me and the house I just bought. But they arrive in the middle of the week to go to a Dis-trict Convention scheduled for that week. So, they go to that DC and spend the next week with me. Of course, this is typical of JW vaca-tions.

Within 1 hour of setting foot in my house, Dad is on the phone and has located the nearest local 'congregation' (cell, 'congo' or hive).

I took them to the first day of the convention. Somebody from the local hive shows up to take them to the 2nd day ses-sions, as I dropped into work to close a project. The next day or so, old JW friends living nearby showed up for ferry duty. During the 2nd week of the visit, some creature from the local hive shows up to take Dad to the Book Study. Please note that someone over there now knows where I live.

So, after the 2nd week, my family leaves. Either the 2nd or 3rd Satur-day, the creature from the local hive shows up again. My front door is open, but the screen door is not. This person DOES NOT KNOCK, enters my house and THEN greets me!!!!

I reply, 'excuse me, but WHAT are you doing?'. I point to the door and send him back to the doorstep. He says that he is here to bring me back to the KH (Kingdom Hall). My father has informed him of 'all the wonderful things that I have done'. (I once pioneered.) He 'also in-formed me that you have not been able to find the local KH'!!!

I laughed and told him that was nonsense. I pointed to my telephone and said that my father had found you within the first hour of his ar-rival and that I was equally capable of using the telephone.

I chatted with him and sent on his way. My basic message was 'don't call us, we'll call you'.

After this incident, I called my father. I asked him to explain this situation. To my surprise, he didn't deny it. I then informed him that he had lied to this 'brother', to get his own way of things. He barked back that 'I did it for your own good'. At that point, I in-formed him that he had violated my rights and my wishes. I also men-tioned that he had made decisions for me and in my name, without con-sulting me.

These people feel that they are in charge of your life FOREVER, if you are their child. This is especially so if you have 'gone along the program' for any length of time. THEY WILL RUN YOUR LIFE FOR YOU!!!

The chain of reasoning for this attitude is roughly this:

1) They are convinced that they are right and the 'only true religion'.
2) All others will be destroyed.
3) Any non-JW presence (including governments) is a temporary matter.
4) All non-JW's are less than 2nd class citizens: they are dead. Lit-erally, they are walking dead ones.
5) Therefore, it follows that any JW (even the lowliest) 'outranks'
any non-JW.
6) So, you have to do what they demand (originally I said request) be-cause they said so.

OH, you weren't aware of this? Well, everybody knows that. You obvi-ously have missed meetings!!!

I am being facetious, but this is very real to them. THEY LIVE THIS APPARITION DAILY.

These people also feel that you are obligated (biblically) to grant forgiveness. Under ordinary circumstances, I tend to agree. But, I have counted over 600 times that my father has phoned me, ran other people down, then turned his attention to me and demanded that I 'do this' or 'do that' in the name of the religion. This is since I left his house over twenty years ago.

So, the last time this occurred, I refused to grant this forgiveness and informed him that he had done this before and had abused the Bible and this privilege of kindness on part of others. In the same vein that a prisoner is expected to reflect on his crime, I told him to do exactly that. Forgiveness or absolution absolves them of taking re-sponsibility for their actions. No, this time you will answer for your sins.

The bottom line: a person may think that they chose that religion. Think again. If you join and it gets its hooks into you, THEY OWN YOU (in their eyes). That is the thought process.

Mustang

PS. I agree with Thirdson/Dave. It is the 'what' of it.

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UN PO Spin

by messenger in

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i spoke to a friend this morning who is a sister.

she asked her po last night about the un issue.

his first response was where did you get your information?

mustang

'Bits and pieces:
: Before the Internet;
The Internet was born in circa 1969.'

I forgot about ARPA net & such; I stand corrected. But those were government networks, by invitation only. Wow, was the WTS on the mostly private GOVERNMENT networks?

The following corrections/additions are appropriate:

'Before the whole generation of 'hackers, probably; '
....Hackers as we know them on the Internet, today. This is why I mentioned generation. There were hackers before, on the old dial-in BBS's, too.

'Before the Internet;'
...Internet as we know it. Most of this came about in the 90's. How may here had access in the 80's? If so, it was probably government issue; there was no commercially advertised traffic and none of the fanfare of the 90's version. It still didn't go seriously public till the mid 90's.

The point is and still is: the current computer savvy crop of apostates likely didn't exist then & would not have had the means or opportunity to do such a deed.

IN THOSE DAYS, ALL THAT CORRESPONDENCE WAS DOUBTLESS DONE BY 'SNAIL MAIL', COURIER OR EVEN HAND CARRIED BY LAWYERS. THE OFFICIAL REGISTRATION WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED BY WIRE. THE SAME IS PROBABLY TRUE TODAY.

Mustang

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Jon passed away this morning

by jonjonsimons in

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my name is kevin and i am jon's partner.

jon gave me his password a few weeks ago and asked me to post to the board if something happened to him.

as some of you know jon had been undergoing cancer treatment since the end of july.

mustang

I missed this one earlier & posted to your 'how 2 dealw/ these people' leter.

I remember JJS; he was in several chat sessions I was in and I believe we exchanged hellos a few times. It brought tears to my eyes to hear of someone 'in the community' passing away.

My deepest condolences go to you.

Mustang

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war for oil?

by Satanus in

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page 30 prev page top of doc.

you may proceed as you wish.. statement of john j. maresca, vice president of international relations, unocal corporation.

i am john maresca, vice president for international relations of the unocal corporation.

mustang

SS,

I'm all for that. I am an engineer working on power supplies. I am
in charge of about a megawatt of Motor Generator Sets. We could change how we use our energy. Unfortunately, all of this stuff works in real slow motion.

My company needs the business, so go for the alternative energy.

Mustang

Edited: BTW, the hyper-long posts are pretty time consuming.

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How do you deal with these Witness people?

by kevin221 in

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please forgive my language in this post but i'm at my wits end and pissed as hell.

my name is kevin and my partner who was a poster on this board was jonjonsimons.

today jons dad showed up at our house.

mustang

Kevin,

I'm 10 steps beyond being in a hurry and only read the top of the post, yours.

I'll relate a story when I have time.

For now, PHOTOGRAPH EVERYTHING, VIDEO-TAPE IT, DOCUMENT IT W/ WITNESSES & GET A LAWYER. You did the right thing calling the Police. They usually pride themselves in being honest, but they can justify really unusual acts to themselves.

Take the precautions.

Mustang

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UN PO Spin

by messenger in

jw
friends

i spoke to a friend this morning who is a sister.

she asked her po last night about the un issue.

his first response was where did you get your information?

mustang

uhh, the WTS entered the UN deal 10 YEARS AGO.

Before heavy web traffic;

Before H2O(or JWD);

Before Kent, LOL;

Before the whole generation of 'hackers, probably;

Before the Internet;

Before the Internet 'apostates';

Mustang
Get Real Class

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war for oil?

by Satanus in

jw
friends

page 30 prev page top of doc.

you may proceed as you wish.. statement of john j. maresca, vice president of international relations, unocal corporation.

i am john maresca, vice president for international relations of the unocal corporation.

mustang

I don't think so. I'm re-reading ad digesting this, but I heard an interesting comment this morning. While most everyone thinks we 'go in there to take the oil' many of the Arab world feel that THE OIL IS 'OURS' ANYWAY.

We (US & western world) are THE customer!!! What are they going to do with it? Smoke it???

WE do pay for it, not steal it. So, the west having the oil is not the real problem.

Mustang