each prophecy in daniel had only one fulfilment.
why believe inconsistently that daniel 4:9-32 should have two fulfillments?.
daniel 2: an immense image representing kingdoms.
Ahh! All those WT articles on such things are so mind-numbingly convoluted it MUST be intentional... to get the R & F to start reading and just say, "Uh, screw it. I'll never be able to decipher this so I'll just accept it."
does the Most High God set up over mankind the lowest grade of rulership over mankind? Evidently not!
I hate their use of "evidently" & I hate their stupid, unnecessary exclaimation marks.
End of rant.
so, it has been agreed that i will be reading the bible with my jw friends.
straight bible no wt.. we tried to start with matthew and move through the new testament.
i insisted on using the esvs i purchased from amazon for $.49 a piece so we could write in them.
A thoughtful study of just the 1st chapter of Hebrews will contradict the WT doctrine about 100 times.
Some tips...
- DO NOT get emotional even when you hear lots of non-sense. He'll mentally turn you off.
- Do not TELL him what to believe... phrase everything in the form of a question.
- Yes, by all means get your hands on a Kingdom Interlinear and read John 17:3, & Col. 1:16-17 (Why is "other" in brackets?)
- Ask him about the 144,000 who Revelation says are all male virgins from Jewish tribes who have never lied. (Do a search for the verses.) This describes NONE of the JW "annointed". After he says the 12,000 from each Jewish tribe is "figurative" ask him how you can add 12 figurative numbers & come up with one literal number.
You have a limited time before your "friend" will never speak to you again.
watchtower's weirdest photograph?.
you wont believe it when you see it.
and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/10/watchtowers-weirdest-photograph.html.
Wait a minute... is that dude FAKE?!
hello, would anyone know or a guesstimate??.
also, will they have assemblies to discuss .
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Agreed. Right now try to get your Dubs to vigorously defend that the "Annointed" are the F&DS, then when (if) the GB pulls the rug out from under that position later... bazinga. Being embarrased by their spiritual food providers will create some of that wonderful cognitive dissonance.
i am watching this now and thought others would like it.
it has some tiny tiny misunderstandings of jw's, but this man really has a good grasp on the problem.. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szhrleqspd4&feature=channel&list=ul.
The first one's probably the least exciting. The others move a bit better. (Although, how does one make WT lit sound interesting?)
He even phones Corporate HQ in the 2nd vid so don't bail too soon.
i am watching this now and thought others would like it.
it has some tiny tiny misunderstandings of jw's, but this man really has a good grasp on the problem.. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szhrleqspd4&feature=channel&list=ul.
Whoa, the WT really lights up on almost all the Hassan mind control characteristics!
Lots of info.
i'm not sure how long it's been up, but jwfacts has written his own article discussing the sparlock debacle - and it's a great piece of work.. here is the link.... http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/sparlock.php.
in the article he uses a fantastic quote from a 1994 awake!
magazine which reads as follows.... .
I picked up 2 things from the video. (implied, thank you 00DAD) young children are taught early on that...
1. jehovah is a god who "hates" (yes, this word is used in the video)
2. And jehovah is a god of conditional love. (toss the toy, Jehovah loves you)
Of course it doesn't say these things outright, it's MIND CONTROL. It only works when it's small, subtle, & not consciencely detected.
i have been thinking about the " need" for an organisation for xians... i mean the ee went on his merry way back to candace in ethiopia, a long way from the governing body of jerusalem and the effect of paul's letters so he must have done his worhsipping from a distance and without the "benefit" of the governing body's sage advice..... .
also another thing if i were on the "gb" of the first century i would be extremely miffed that paul was the one being inspired to write the fundamental doctrines of christianity, not me or my fellow older men.
today i began reading don camron's captive of a concept!
Acts 16:31 - Same situation with the prison guard and his family, no mention of an organization for salvation.
Luke 23:43 - Same situation with the thief, no mention of an organization for salvation.
Genesis thru Revelation - Same situation with the entire Bible, no mention of an organization for salvation.
if you knew your neighbor was studying with the wj's what would you do?.
I have successfully ended TWO different JW studies in the past 6 months. (The key of course is to get them early.)
All I do is sit down with them, go on Cultwatch.com & educate them quickly on the basics of mind control (I also let them "inadvertantly" see the list of cults with JWs on it without mentioning it). I have several WT quotes that demonstrate each characteristic of mind control which I calmly, & unemotionally show them. I also show them the responses from the post on here titled, "Sum up your experience as a JW in one word." I mention it's the #1 exited religion in the country. I also express how I feel sorry for the JWs because they're being lied to.
The response is always, "Oh my! THANK YOU!"
This most likely wouldn't work with an active JW with a brain in "stand by" mode.
this is a serious question.. i know people that hear/feel god (and see postings about people's experiences), but i have not experienced this.
i have never heard anything audibly (or otherwise) nor "felt" anything inwardly.. i've prayed, read, quieted my thoughts, etc...but still nothing..
As one of the posters wrote "Bullshit" followed a few words later by "Love, kindness, mercy, joy, peace, long-suffering, forgiveness, compassion, pity, mildness, self-control" this board has once again demonstrated all the hypocritical tolerance of the Governing Body itself. I prefer a more hate-free environment.
doinmypart I'll send you a PM.
