this is what is called bump in forum speak.
this means the survey at bottom of page 958 is getting buried and i want some action, please.
thank you.
Outlaw's right, I am currently trying to sort this out with site administrators.
The way I see it, the survey adds value to JWN and is a valuable resource to its members, but I am forced to pay for it out of my own pocket and am not allowed to ask for any help in financing it.
I have offered a full apology to site administrators, and I hope we can sort something out soon.
dublin news story contains a blatant lie from the mouth of a jw spokesman:.
http://www.thejournal.ie/need-for-discussions-between-hospitals-and-jehovahs-witness-patients-234833-sep2011/.
a court order granted today to allow the coombe hospital give a baby a blood transfusion against the wishes of her parents underscores the need for more discussions to take place between hospital staff and patients, says a dublin branch of jehovahs witnesses.. harry homan, from the south dublin hospital liaison committee said that the issue highlighted the relationship between hospital staff and jehovahs witness patients.. he said, however, that there is already healthy discussions happening across the country.. the parents in this case are very happy with the hospital and the care being give to their baby, homan told thejournal.ie.. there is an excellent relationship between the parents and staff and the child is receiving the best of care.. he added that a blood transfusion will only be given to the premature baby as a last resort.. at the moment, she is doing well, said homan.. rte reports that the transfusion will be given to the baby if her condition deteriorates and it is necessary to save her life.. hospitals are acutely aware of the dangers associated with blood transfusions, claimed homan, adding that it is in everyones best interests to seek alternatives.. he said the position of jehovahs witnesses is perfectly clear on the matter of blood transfusions.. we do refuse transfusions, he said.
Ah yes the typical "please take everything we say literally" followed by "stupid fools, you took what we said literally!" approach. It's sickening isn't it.
here is an email i received from one of my friends who is still a jw.
she would like to know my feelings on the matter of organisation now that im disfellowshipped.
i have written my thoughts below the email.
Timmy - I think that no matter what you say, if you write it well and show respect for her beliefs and motives, it will be well received. For example, the first couple of chapters of Crisis of Conscience put the reader completely at ease, because they can see that Ray Franz was very genuine and bore no malice towards the organization. I think if you approach your letter from that angle, and show full sincerity, then whatever you say will be well received, no matter how shocking it may seem.
Try to use the "makeweight scenario" if you can - it certainly helped me. I would also seriously consider mentioning Crisis of Conscience and asking your friend if she could bring herself to read it. I know that sounds ambitious, but like I said, you can say anything so long as you say it in the right way.
By the way, I'm not suggesting that you don't use scriptures, I'm just saying to try not to overwhelm your friend with them. Try to think "would I look each of those scriptures up if she wrote me a letter with that many scriptures in them". Pick the best ones, and make it punchy.
dublin news story contains a blatant lie from the mouth of a jw spokesman:.
http://www.thejournal.ie/need-for-discussions-between-hospitals-and-jehovahs-witness-patients-234833-sep2011/.
a court order granted today to allow the coombe hospital give a baby a blood transfusion against the wishes of her parents underscores the need for more discussions to take place between hospital staff and patients, says a dublin branch of jehovahs witnesses.. harry homan, from the south dublin hospital liaison committee said that the issue highlighted the relationship between hospital staff and jehovahs witness patients.. he said, however, that there is already healthy discussions happening across the country.. the parents in this case are very happy with the hospital and the care being give to their baby, homan told thejournal.ie.. there is an excellent relationship between the parents and staff and the child is receiving the best of care.. he added that a blood transfusion will only be given to the premature baby as a last resort.. at the moment, she is doing well, said homan.. rte reports that the transfusion will be given to the baby if her condition deteriorates and it is necessary to save her life.. hospitals are acutely aware of the dangers associated with blood transfusions, claimed homan, adding that it is in everyones best interests to seek alternatives.. he said the position of jehovahs witnesses is perfectly clear on the matter of blood transfusions.. we do refuse transfusions, he said.
sizemik - I don't think your opinion is cynical at all, I think you present a compelling case that the Society IS in the midst of a protracted exit strategy over this doctrine. Like you say, if they drop it overnight they will be up to their necks in lawsuits. I hadn't thought about it from that perspective, thanks!
here is an email i received from one of my friends who is still a jw.
she would like to know my feelings on the matter of organisation now that im disfellowshipped.
i have written my thoughts below the email.
Hi Timmy - have you thought about breaking it up a bit with bullet points and headers, just so everything is a bit more ordered? It certainly is a great opportunity she's presenting you with. I would keep everything EXTREMELY simple and not throw too many scriptures at her early on. I would break it down into headings such as "Increasing Light", "Shunning", "Failed Prophecy" etc, so she can almost 'cherry-pick' which subjects most concern her, whilst at the same time seeing clearly that it isn't just one issue that's keeping you from returning, but many.
PM me if you want me to put a draft together.
dublin news story contains a blatant lie from the mouth of a jw spokesman:.
http://www.thejournal.ie/need-for-discussions-between-hospitals-and-jehovahs-witness-patients-234833-sep2011/.
a court order granted today to allow the coombe hospital give a baby a blood transfusion against the wishes of her parents underscores the need for more discussions to take place between hospital staff and patients, says a dublin branch of jehovahs witnesses.. harry homan, from the south dublin hospital liaison committee said that the issue highlighted the relationship between hospital staff and jehovahs witness patients.. he said, however, that there is already healthy discussions happening across the country.. the parents in this case are very happy with the hospital and the care being give to their baby, homan told thejournal.ie.. there is an excellent relationship between the parents and staff and the child is receiving the best of care.. he added that a blood transfusion will only be given to the premature baby as a last resort.. at the moment, she is doing well, said homan.. rte reports that the transfusion will be given to the baby if her condition deteriorates and it is necessary to save her life.. hospitals are acutely aware of the dangers associated with blood transfusions, claimed homan, adding that it is in everyones best interests to seek alternatives.. he said the position of jehovahs witnesses is perfectly clear on the matter of blood transfusions.. we do refuse transfusions, he said.
sizemik - I agree with your logic, and you would think they would have dropped the doctrine by now, but they obviously haven't. When they make their minds up on something, they don't tend to waste much time implementing it. I obviously wish they would drop it, but the more I learn about them, the more I think they just enjoy being awkward, and getting 7.5 million loyal followers to be as different as possible from the world around them. Any relinquishing of the blood doctine would probably be seen as a backtrack and a compromise. They're tied themselves to the mast with it, and I don't think they feel they could give it up now, even if they wanted to.
N.drew and Gayle - I'm aware of the recent "don't write to us" QFR, I wrote a thread on it myself. Thanks for reminding me though! You probably wouldn't need a letter to show in black and white that the rep was lying through his teeth. There's enough material in the Society's publications that expresses their stand pretty clearly. You could also get someone with an Elders manual to print the page that explains what to do if someone accepts blood.
dublin news story contains a blatant lie from the mouth of a jw spokesman:.
http://www.thejournal.ie/need-for-discussions-between-hospitals-and-jehovahs-witness-patients-234833-sep2011/.
a court order granted today to allow the coombe hospital give a baby a blood transfusion against the wishes of her parents underscores the need for more discussions to take place between hospital staff and patients, says a dublin branch of jehovahs witnesses.. harry homan, from the south dublin hospital liaison committee said that the issue highlighted the relationship between hospital staff and jehovahs witness patients.. he said, however, that there is already healthy discussions happening across the country.. the parents in this case are very happy with the hospital and the care being give to their baby, homan told thejournal.ie.. there is an excellent relationship between the parents and staff and the child is receiving the best of care.. he added that a blood transfusion will only be given to the premature baby as a last resort.. at the moment, she is doing well, said homan.. rte reports that the transfusion will be given to the baby if her condition deteriorates and it is necessary to save her life.. hospitals are acutely aware of the dangers associated with blood transfusions, claimed homan, adding that it is in everyones best interests to seek alternatives.. he said the position of jehovahs witnesses is perfectly clear on the matter of blood transfusions.. we do refuse transfusions, he said.
Someone should write a letter to the Governing Body (without quoting the article) and ask "Are blood transfusions a personal choice?"
When we get the letter back stating that it definitely isn't, we can publish the letter alongside the article to show how blatant a lie it was.
i looked out the window and saw a car that belongs to a jw couple who have come to see my dad.. i decided it was time for another cup of tea .
no response!
i made myself a cup of tea, and realised there were two cups just brewing, so i called into the living room: "dad are these drinks for **** and ****?
Timmy - do you think you could talk them into taking my survey??!!!
That would be so cool, and I would give you eternal respect if you could manage to pull it off....
Go on, I dare ya!
as you may or may not know, a group called "anonymous" shut down mastercard last december, protesting suppression of news about the war in afghanistan ..... .
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/08/mastercard-down-hacked-wikileaks-ddos_n_793625.html.
anyone seen this vid?.
Yes, it would be terrible. WHATEVER YOU DO talesin, DON'T approach Anonymous with details about the WBTS oppression of dissenters and ask them to consider taking action against them. I don't think I could bear for anything like THAT to happen.
as you may or may not know, a group called "anonymous" shut down mastercard last december, protesting suppression of news about the war in afghanistan ..... .
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/08/mastercard-down-hacked-wikileaks-ddos_n_793625.html.
anyone seen this vid?.
I was just going off my Oxford dictionary definition... I can't see how my dictionary can be wrong just because a punk rocker feels the word should mean something else...
Learned a few things about it from a punk I used to be quite close with. And they, like all strata of society, have the fringe element, but most punks are merely anti-establishment.
I don't mean to upset anyone by the way, I'm only offering an honest opinion. I don't think people should just be allowed to re-write the dictionary to make bad words good as they see fit.
