Ha ha. The average hours is down to 9.3 for pub and 61! for reg pioneers. I thought pioneers did it for the LOVE of service - wonder why the hours have dropped so much when they went to the 70 hour requirement. Wonder how many 'pioneers' they'd have if it was still 100 a month!
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Our Kingdom Ministry October 2001
by Kent inthanks to friends here, the our kingdom ministry october 2001 is now published on the watchtower observer.. http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?site=wo&date=20011018&category=doctrine4&artno=110180002&ref=ar.
yakki da.
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My past weekend
by Leander insaturday afternoon i made the decision to step down as a minsterial servant.
i had given it a lot of thought and i came to the conclusion that i would be doing the right thing.
i told my wife about the decision i had planned on making and that basically killed her mood for the rest of the day.
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Good luck to you. You face a REALLY tough decision - and it all comes back to the massive control the religion holds over your life. Want out of the religion? Fine, but we will take your wife, all your friends, and your family. That's one reason I think there are MANY MANY MANY people in the JWs who are in a 'holding' pattern just like you. They see the problems in their world, but choose to ignore them to avoid the massive penalties involved with leaving the JW world.
I will say this to you - me and my wife have never been happier, healther, and more satisfied with our lives than now. Do we 'have the answers'? Know what the 'true religion' is? Nope. Never will either. And you know what? That doesn't matter! That's the true struggle, becoming aware of the fact that humans will never answer the age old relgion/god debate - so why pound your head against a brick wall trying?
I do agree with messenger - you'd better be careful you're giving the elders plenty of ammo to DF you. If they want to. Toe the line for now and they will probably let you go - if you answer yes to the question "Do you thing JW are god's one true org". But keep up the doubt talk and prepare for the worst. JWs are not allowed to have doubts. And it's not possible for the majority of JWs to think you can have doubts 'on your own' they feel it MUST come from apostates - though you seem to have been having them way before you ventured here. You are just discovering some interesting things you never knew about your religion here. What you do with the info is up to you. Best of luck!
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It sure is hard being your lord
by Jehovah_God inmy login session .
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:let there be light!.
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But his name isn't really 'Jehovah' - so we're not really mocking god now are we?
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Living in a bottle
by Haereticus inthrough the years jw are taught not to read this and that, ham radio was evil (altghough awake listed frequencies and sceduled times for jw hams), today this is applied to internet as well.
i hope this ngo/dpi alone will prove the dangers associated here.
blind faith simply does not pay off.. here is one way of describing the difference how faith can be based either on assumption or a proven knowledge.
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Look out, it's PETA!!
Fred's gonna get you ...
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Living in a bottle
by Haereticus inthrough the years jw are taught not to read this and that, ham radio was evil (altghough awake listed frequencies and sceduled times for jw hams), today this is applied to internet as well.
i hope this ngo/dpi alone will prove the dangers associated here.
blind faith simply does not pay off.. here is one way of describing the difference how faith can be based either on assumption or a proven knowledge.
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Oh you've done it now bboy!!!!!!!
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It sure is hard being your lord
by Jehovah_God inmy login session .
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:let there be light!.
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AH HA!!!! so you are the one responsible for keeping that show on the air for so long - I knew you were slightly twisted ...
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A few things I don't understand about the bible
by Leander inthere have always been things about the bible that never really made much sense to me.
not to say that i disagree with whats in the bible but i have wondered about the fairness of certain things.. 1. for example i've always even as a child thought that it was odd that so many people would die during armageddon.
now as an adult and i understand people better than i did years ago i really do feel puzzled about the fact that according to the scriptures the majority of mankind will perish.
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Here we go - Lefty reminds me a bit of YK, without the in your face gloom and doom -
<grabs popcorn for upcoming show>
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It sure is hard being your lord
by Jehovah_God inmy login session .
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Jehovah you crack me up - seems like an all powerful god like you wouldn't be running a 15 year old copy of UNIX. Maybe you should upgrade to Mandrake since it's using Linux 8.1? Perhaps you could then access that pesky Freewill file. It's sitting in the boot sector, that's why you can't access it. Perhaps it's time for a low-level format?
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Living in a bottle
by Haereticus inthrough the years jw are taught not to read this and that, ham radio was evil (altghough awake listed frequencies and sceduled times for jw hams), today this is applied to internet as well.
i hope this ngo/dpi alone will prove the dangers associated here.
blind faith simply does not pay off.. here is one way of describing the difference how faith can be based either on assumption or a proven knowledge.
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I take your point is that the one alcoholic can ASSUME he's OK, based on the fact that he hasn't taken a drink in while. While on the other hand the other alcoholic who pours a drink every day, but yet does not consume the drink has proven that he has beaten alcoholism?
Nevermind, re-read your post ... you're saying the one who takes a single drink and has the power to put the bottle away after that has beaten it.
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Pros and Cons about Jehovah's Witnesses
by Leander inthe purpose of this post is to try take a close but un-biased look at whether or not jehovahs witnesses are the right religion.
in my few months of doing research about jw's outside of their own publications i've came across a wide variety of viewpoints.
some people are skeptical or unsure if the wts is really the right religion, some are certain that jw's are wrong but have no ill-feelings toward them, some individuals downright hate the organization and still others are certain that the wts is the real deal.
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Leander: Good for you for not being one sided on this issue (for any one side). It's a great (and very hard) step for a JW to take.
That being said, I think that you have seen LOT'S of things made very clear on this board and elsewhere that the JW religion is not all the the JWs make it out to be. Why is that a problem? As you say, doesn't it do SOME good? Yes, in certain ways, there are positive things about the JW religion. It can transform some people from 'bad' to 'good' people (leave the 'bad' and 'good' to the discretion of the reader). However, so do other religions. It has provided some material aid to people, mostly of course to existing JWs. However, so do MANY other religions. It teaches the 'bible'. However, so do MANY other religions. Getting the picture? It's really no different than any other man-made, man-run orginization.
Why is that bad? It's not. It IS a problem though when that org DEMANDS loyalty until death DEMANDING it is the one and only channel to god. DEMANDING followers to conform or die (Yes, I know they won't kill you, but can effectivly do so through metal depression, family cut-off, emotional trama, or even real death due to blood/transplant/neutrality issues). When an org DEMANDS that it's followers follow IT and IT alone, then fails to live up to the lofty pedistal it has placed itself on, where does that leave you?