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Please Email Amarillo Globe News regarding coverage of Witness Convention

by Nanoprobe in

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the amarillo globe news yearly gives witnesses positive news, yet omits negative coverage.

how about requesting they run the article from another local paper, regarding the lawsuit filed against the society?

an amarillo man was previously convicted of sexual abuse of two little girls and now a lawsuit has been filed.

Nanoprobe

The Amarillo Globe News yearly gives Witnesses positive news, yet omits negative coverage. How about requesting they run the article from another local paper, regarding the lawsuit filed against the society? An Amarillo man was previously convicted of sexual abuse of two little girls and now a lawsuit has been filed. Please join me in email the Amarillo Globe News for equal coverage.

Jehovah's Witnesses to convene
14,500 expected to attend Amarillo program starting this weekend

By DON MUNSCH
[email protected]

Jehovah's Witnesses will convene in Amarillo starting this weekend at the Civic Center Coliseum for their 2003 "Give God Glory" District Convention. Admission is free . . . .

The Jehovah's Witnesses' series of conventions - and they do three (weekends this year) - are still our single largest convention client for the city," said Eric Miller, Convention and Visitor Council director of communications. He said each weekend generates a $1.65 million economic impact, and all three weekends combined is nearly $5 million.

(Full Story) http://www.amarillonet.com/ns-search/stories/061203/new_jehovahs.shtml?NS-search-set=/3eeb2/aaaa16026eb2cfe&NS-doc-offset=0&

Wednesday, June 11, 2003

Top Story

Elder charged with sexual abuse
Lauri Zachry
Staff Writer

An Amarillo woman has filed a civil lawsuit against the national organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses in New York and Jehovah’s Witnesses in Dumas and Amarillo. The woman claims a church elder sexually abused her for several years and church leaders did nothing to curtail the abuse.

(Full Story) http://www.moorenews.com/MOORENEWS/myheadline.asp?S=505&P=543434&PubID=8857

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Amarillo TX JW Abuse Case Continues

by blondie in

http://www.moorenews.com/moorenews/myarticles.asp?p=542558&s=505&pubid=8838

wednesday, june 11, 2003

top story

Nanoprobe

Searching the Sex Offender Database

Sex Offender Record Details

NOTICE: DPS cannot guarantee the records you obtain through this site relate to the person about whom you are seeking information. Searches based on names, dates of birth and other alphanumeric identifiers are not always accurate. The only way to positively link someone to a criminal record is through fingerprint verification.

KELLEY,LARRY KEITH

DPS Number

DOB Risk Level Sex Race 04670049 11/28/1938 NOT AVAILABLE MALE White Height Weight Eye Color Hair Color Shoe Size 510 175 BLU GRY 9.5

Sex Offender Photo

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Alias Names

Name

KELLEY,LARRY

Sex Offender Registration Record

Date

Agency 11/17/1997 TX1880100 AMARILLO PD

Sex Offender Verification Record

Date

Agency 05/09/2003 tx1880100 AMARILLO PD

Current Address

Current Address

Street	3113 SW 11th
Apartment	B
City	Amarillo
County	POTTER
State	TX
Zip Code	79102

Offense Data

Sex Offender Offense

Offense	36010001 Indecency w/child Sexual Contact
General Offense Code
Counts	1
Victim's Sex	Female
Victim's Age	4.0
Disposition Date	08/26/1992
Time	10Y
Status	PROBATION

Offense Data

Sex Offender Offense

Offense	36010001 Indecency w/child Sexual Contact
General Offense Code
Counts	1
Victim's Sex	Female
Victim's Age	12.0
Disposition Date	12/22/1992
Time	10Y
Status	PROBATION

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The Society's response to my letter regarding my dad's suicide

by cruzanheart in

well, i finally got a response to my letter, and it only took them almost three months!

models of efficiency, they are.

actually, big tex and i think they had to run this through the legal department.

Nanoprobe

Dear Nina & Big Tex

I don’t even know how to respond to that stupid letter, because basically it isn’t worth a comment. I am, however, very surprised that the society troubled themselves to reply to your letter. You must have hit a nerve somewhere. It’s their usual----we are right and you are wrong. Doesn’t matter about the details, you are wrong and you are out of line if you try to make them accountable.

Of course, what they needed to address was the shunning policy. It is this policy that destroys hope and lives. It is this policy that encourages the elders to interrogate, pry, harass, whatever, but not be compassionate to broken people. Your father had suffered so much from your mother’s illness and the loss of her companionship and rather than help the poor man, it was necessary to destroy him.

I am sure he felt he could not deal with the shame and pain of another judicial meeting, and let’s face it; they would have disfellowshipped him if they had a chance and left him DF’d till the end of his days. That would have been his reward for being a “prominent one” for most of his life and now stumbling. What a fine reward for 50+ years of diligent service. That was, undoubtedly, too heavy a burden for him to bear. But of course, they are not to blame, because they are right and you are wrong.

I always think that if these men are friends of God, than God seriously needs some new friends.

A very big CONGRATULATION on twenty happy years of marriage!

Elaine and Ed

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My Letter to the Elders in My Late Father's Congregation

by cruzanheart in

well, guys, here it is.

it's going in the mail tomorrow.

it's for me but, dad, it's also for you.

Nanoprobe

Dear Christina,

Your letter was to the point, clear cut and beautifully written. I only wish it would impact on those creatures, unfortunately, it won't. Those are the same sub-humans I tried to reach: Wayne Christianson, Neal Cox, Ozbek, Rick Goodheart, the evil one, John Prester..are there more? All heartless empty shells, hiding behind the Watchtower rules to avoid being a Christian, to avoid being kind, and I suppose to escape the guilt. But I truthfully wonder if there is any guilt, any shame to be found in those men. I hope that other members of the congregation have their eyes opened by your letter but again I doubt it. Witnesses always hide behind the words, "Wait on Jehovah."

You are brave, you have done one hundred percent the right thing, and I am so sorry that you had to suffer so much. Your Dad was a good man and he deserved all the respect and help and kindness that you mentioned.

My love,

Elaine

PS. Mackey would like a letter too

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CALLING ALL BIKER TRASH!

by MYOHNSEPH in

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friends

from some of the posts i've seen, animal and i aren't the only 'biker trash' here.

i'll show you mine, if you'll show me yours!

Nanoprobe

This is my Hunk of a Husband on BMW Adventure Bike

Edited by - nanoprobe on 16 November 2002 15:42:44

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Banned church member sues Jehovah's Witnesses

by izobcenec in

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friends

a normandy resident who was disfellowshipped from jehovah's witnesses is suing the organization for $7 million on grounds the alleged action against her was wrong.

barbara joanna anderson filed the lawsuit thursday in coffee county circuit court.. she is seeking $2 million in compensatory damages, plus $5 million in punitive damages.. the defendants are listed as:.

* watchtower bible and tract society of new york inc.. * watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania inc.. * watchtower enterprises llc.. * watchtower foundation inc.. * watchtower associates ltd.. * kingdom support services inc.. * christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses.. * religious order of jehovah's witnesses.. * the watchtower group inc.. * manchester congregation of jehovah's witnesses elders.. * lawrence a. seely, gary hobson, dale dormanen, robert e. matthews, david semonian, j.r. brown, and john does no.

Nanoprobe

The Supreme Court has never heard the disfellowshipping issue. However the ninth court of appeals did uphold disfellowshipping in the case of Janice Pauls but note this statement......*883 [7] We find the practice of shunning not to constitute a sufficient threat to the peace, safety, or morality of the community as to warrant state intervention . The test for upholding a direct burden on religious practices is as stringent as any imposed under our Constitution. Only in extreme and unusual cases has the imposition of a direct burden on religion been upheld . See, e.g., Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. (8 Otto) 145, 25 L.Ed. 244 (1878) (polygamy); Hill v. State, 38 Ala.App. 404, 88 So.2d 880 (1956) (snake handling). The harms suffered by Paul as a result of her shunning by the Jehovah's Witnesses are clearly not of the type that would justify the imposition of tort liability for religious conduct. No physical assault or battery occurred. Intangible or emotional harms cannot ordinarily serve as a basis for maintaining a tort cause of action against a church for its practices--or against its http://jehovah.to/legal/general/paul.htm

Will the courts of this country concur that protecting pedophiles and silencing whistleblowers presents a threat to the community?

Edited by - nanoprobe on 10 November 2002 10:23:46

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Why do so many people here disbelieve allegations?

by avishai in

this is not a question regarding bill bowen/ray franz et.

al.

that has been discussed elsewhere.

Nanoprobe

Waiting.....Thank you for reading and comprehending the info I provided.

BeautifulGarbage ---- I do not doubt that false allegations are made. As the wife of a wonderful man and the mother of a grown son false allegations truly frighten me. However, I do believe they are rare enough to not be the first consideration. It is too easy to simply dismiss all allegations presented in the organization as false unless there are two witnesses to each single incident. As a youngster I was fondled by an older man who clearly had more on his mind, how ever I broke free and ran home. I did not tell my parents or anyone else of the incident. Years later my younger sister and I were talking and I found out he had tried the same thing with her. We have since discovered he succeeded in raping another young girl in our town. Were my memories false? Apparenty not although I had never discussed the incident I had also never forgotten it.

Edited by - nanoprobe on 29 October 2002 15:17:37

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Why do so many people here disbelieve allegations?

by avishai in

this is not a question regarding bill bowen/ray franz et.

al.

that has been discussed elsewhere.

Nanoprobe

Many allegations of child abuse are unsubstantiated both inside and outside the org. Many men's group's use these statistics to "prove" that 50% of allegations are false. I believe this is one major reason people disbelieve allegations.

1 ) Unsubstantiated allegations of child abuse are not the same as false reports. http://www.vachss.com/help_text/false_allegations.html

2) Every allegation of abuse should be reported to the police for clearing. Two recent child murderers in the US had been previously charged with but not convicted of abuse. Federal law realizes the importance of reporting all allegations: Rules 413(2) and 414 specifically provide that in any case in which the defendant is accused of sexual assault or molestation, the defendant's commission of any other similar offenses is admissible "for its bearing on any matter to which it is relevant." The absence of corroborating evidence, the difficulty of proof and the validity of propensity evidence in sexual offense cases are often cited in support of the special treatment of character-type evidence in molestation and repeat-offender rape cases.

3) More info on Rules 413, 414 and 415 of the Federal Rules of Evidence: http://www.smith-lawfirm.com/Rule415.html

4) Latest Federal Government statistics on child abuse: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/saycrle.pdf

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Need help finding a book

by wannabook in

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friends

i'm looking for a book, i can't remember what it's called, but i have the old one called "aid to bible understanding" (a big, blue, hardcover book).

i think the current one is a set of two books, dark brown or black if i remember right.

i had studied with jw's for a time but i just don't believe in the org.

Nanoprobe

It's a green two volume set called, "Insight on the Scriptures."

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Aaarrrrrgggghhhhhh!

by Mimilly in

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friends

this.... is a scream thread.

for those who've had to up to 'here' with all the fighting and mudslinging.... post your screams here.

visiting the forum lately has been arduous, trying, painful, disheartening... .

Nanoprobe

STOP the INSANITY!!!!