you gotta see this!
silentlambs guest book 18 jun 2002 20:10:11
someone signing himself jehovah's theocratic state of free people.
deddaisy:
Good point, think it's someone just trying to further discredit Bill? Our maybe it's just too hard to hack WBTS, I bet they have an incredible Firewall. Unfortunately poor Bill needs one too
Edited by - Nanoprobe on 19 June 2002 0:5:49
Edited by - Nanoprobe on 19 June 2002 0:6:59
you gotta see this!
silentlambs guest book 18 jun 2002 20:10:11
someone signing himself jehovah's theocratic state of free people.
You gotta see this!
Someone signing himself Jehovah's Theocratic State of Free People
Just nailed an abbreviated Martin Luther type thesis to the Door.
Or maybe its a writ of secession. Can you say Schism?
We now have a great following that seek truth and wish the disolvement of the Governing Body. We the collective of Witness' continue to meet for pure truth.
Even calls for GB Resignations
Dont they know this is Apostasy and Blasphemy . They couldnt have a real following could they? We personally know it takes years to make an apostate (look at how long our minds have been messed up).
Anyway all the Apostates are safe & sound over here, arent they?
Got to be a joke by someone brilliant but out in left field .
Now come on who did it?
Edited by - Nanoprobe on 18 June 2002 23:17:56
dear ex-jw.com.
many of you have asked me why i am in this place.
you think i am being disobedient to the faithful and discreet slave or being hypocritical when i frequent this site.
sound instruction of our Lord Jesus ChristI knew it! This guys not a witness, who ever heard a witness quote Jesus? J
please note the article is on "right side" with a "tan coloured background".
this is page 81 of the june 24, 2002 edition (on sale now - as of june 17, 2002).
it's a small article but .....!!!!!
Gritts I wouldn't give our old friend JR that much credit for being a human. I have met him and his wife, shook his hand, but I can't really say I know him. However, I do know quite well a good friend of his. This man is the embodiment of what JR appears to be in the Press. I'm guessing their friendship is based on similar personality traits.
please note the article is on "right side" with a "tan coloured background".
this is page 81 of the june 24, 2002 edition (on sale now - as of june 17, 2002).
it's a small article but .....!!!!!
Brown points out that people who accuse the church are often lapsed Witnesses, and open prey for exploiters..
Having trouble understanding JR Brown's comments in Newsweek? Maybe this will help.
Definitions from the NWT DICTIONARY
Exploit: As in receive help or assistance from outside source, especially legal or judicial help
Lapsed Witnesses: person who after having been abused, physically, sexually and spiritually recovers enough strength to seek help.
Open Prey:One who is no longer Watchtower Prey, one who is willing to talk about their personal abuse by watchtower
(More definitions for other JW-Media articles.)
Dissident: Victims Advocacy Group
Truth in Advertising: Policy unknown to WBTS. i.e. :Disfellowshipping does not sever family ties. See (jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm)
Video News Release Expert: See compensated endorser (any dictionary)
Edited by - nanoprobe on 18 June 2002 12:12:39
jehovah's witnesses proclaim the good news of the kingdom under the power of god's holy spirit.
jesus commanded his followers to preach in the most distant parts of the earth and promised them that the spirit of god would guide them in this life-saving work (acts 1:8).. without the spirit of god, one cannot continue preaching about jesus and god's kingdom (matthew 24:14).
one surely will not have god's spirit if one preaches a negative message (against jehovah's servants) from door to door.
CRAWDAD
I have posted one story on silentlambs. I find it very hard to believe other witnesses when they say they don't know of any cases of abuse. I took a poll with a group of 5 witnesses at a dinner table a few months back. Four of them recounted stories of child abuse they knew of happening. One sister firmly denied ever hearing about abuse in the organization. I told her, "Well, it's probably because you were an elders wife and no one told you anything." Later she came up and told me that her own daughter was raped by another elders son. They had covered it up as per request, today her daughter is a drug addict. So you never know what is in someone's mind.
You know what is so crazy, my children were not abused. My husband is a good man and he never beat me, the organization was a good thing for us in many ways. But what I saw happen to many others, including my own sister is a crying shame. How ridiculous that I just kept preaching though it all.
The straw that finally broke the camel's back was, well, I see that is actually a very long story to type here. I may post more elsewhere.
Edited by - Nanoprobe on 17 June 2002 19:47:56
jehovah's witnesses proclaim the good news of the kingdom under the power of god's holy spirit.
jesus commanded his followers to preach in the most distant parts of the earth and promised them that the spirit of god would guide them in this life-saving work (acts 1:8).. without the spirit of god, one cannot continue preaching about jesus and god's kingdom (matthew 24:14).
one surely will not have god's spirit if one preaches a negative message (against jehovah's servants) from door to door.
So who is this "Comforter" Person?
He used "saving souls" a number of times. Does anyone else think "saving souls" is rather unusual JW terminology?
Although, I would admit he recovered rather quickly after the first "saving souls" and sang the company song in the next few sentences.
What about Preacher Greek, is that just an old Bible College term?
His quote: And what could be better than going door to door saving souls? Proverbs 11:31.
Or That is why I preach. The purpose is to declare God's kingdom and save souls. Proverbs 11:31
jehovah's witnesses proclaim the good news of the kingdom under the power of god's holy spirit.
jesus commanded his followers to preach in the most distant parts of the earth and promised them that the spirit of god would guide them in this life-saving work (acts 1:8).. without the spirit of god, one cannot continue preaching about jesus and god's kingdom (matthew 24:14).
one surely will not have god's spirit if one preaches a negative message (against jehovah's servants) from door to door.
Crawdad
That story was from a farm in Kansas. My friend lost her entire family of four daughter and one son in that mess. The son became an abuser, too. Two of the daughters were really messed up. Two got married and had families. Only one daughter stayed in touch with the mother. I haven't called the sister lately to see how things are going, it's just so sad. But I suppose a poor excuse on my part.
jehovah's witnesses proclaim the good news of the kingdom under the power of god's holy spirit.
jesus commanded his followers to preach in the most distant parts of the earth and promised them that the spirit of god would guide them in this life-saving work (acts 1:8).. without the spirit of god, one cannot continue preaching about jesus and god's kingdom (matthew 24:14).
one surely will not have god's spirit if one preaches a negative message (against jehovah's servants) from door to door.
Lady Lee, Thank you,
Every word is mine, every incident is mine and every scream you heard was mine.
I actually believed in the Bibles Power to change lives. I believed in the enormous potential of the Watchtower organization to make a difference, to stop the physical abuse, to protect the abused child, to help them heal. I was so wrong, there was NO compassion from Watchtower only the desire to cover-up the incident.
I had no idea that while we were working so hard to bring them in the FRONT door the elders was destroying lives in the BACK room.
Even today when WBTS is beseeched with Child Abuse claims in the media, what do they do?
They cannot determine the difference between PROBLEMS and ENEMIES. And so Bill Bowen and the victims becomes the enemy, something to be annihilated at all cost. Perhaps in the war on enemies we will forget the PROBLEM of sex abuse?
Would you have me believe that these are spiritually mature men? Men who scream Apostate and lord it over everyone else?
Edited by - nanoprobe on 17 June 2002 18:28:34
jehovah's witnesses proclaim the good news of the kingdom under the power of god's holy spirit.
jesus commanded his followers to preach in the most distant parts of the earth and promised them that the spirit of god would guide them in this life-saving work (acts 1:8).. without the spirit of god, one cannot continue preaching about jesus and god's kingdom (matthew 24:14).
one surely will not have god's spirit if one preaches a negative message (against jehovah's servants) from door to door.
I want to explain to you why I am not longer preaching after 27 years in the organization.
You can decide if it is because I no longer have Jehovahs spirit.
Do you remember that day in Kansas when my friends 12 yr old daughter ran away from home?
We tried to find her and eventually she was found at a worldly friend's house. The elders decided that no one should talk to her until her father; the Head of the Family was present. So I went home and they handled it and the family went home together. Can you imagine what was happening to that little girl at her fathers hands? Unless you are a real sicko, I doubt you will be able to do so. It included having her pet lambs legs cut off in front of her as a threat to silence. It was a few more years before the truth came out about the abuse and in the mean time her two younger sisters were abused. I was sick sick sick for months, I thought how culpable we all were, but I kept preaching.
Do you remember when that wonderful single sister asked the brothers in the neighboring congregation about the EX-elder who was interested in marrying her? He was divorced and no longer an elder she wanted to be sure he was okay, but they assured her, he was without reproach She was married to him for about 5 years before he confessed to raping his two young daughters, a charge that had been brought before the elders. Of course, it was his ex wife that was disfellowshipped and his daughters silenced. The elders told my friend she was not scripturally free because she married him after the event. But I kept preaching.
Do you remember my sister whose alcoholic husband beat and psychologically abused her? But the elders always blamed her; beat her with the Family Book as she liked to say. Do you remember when she told the elder about her husbands drinking problem and the elder asked her husband, Do you have a drinking problem? And he said no. Then she was told she was the one with a problem.
Do you remember that terrible night when her husband was driving drunk and ran over those two kids on the side of the road, killing the boy? And do you know what the elders asked my sister? What did you do to make him drink? She was sitting at the Thursday Meeting that night.
But I kept Preaching.
Do you remember my friend who watched her daughter bleed to death in childbirth? But now the blood components have changed and maybe she would have lived. Oh, well, But I kept Preaching..
Do you remember my friend in a foreign country who served two years in a bad prison for neutrality? He was beaten and cannot have children now. But now the rules have changed and there is alternative service. But I kept preaching.
What about the little girl who was raped recently in our congregation, justice was served in the legal system and he was incarcerated. But he came back to the hall and of course the elders support him, who cares about the victim? Who cares if we cover over the sins of pedophiles and allow them to turn our little girls into strippers and prostitutes and our young men into pedophiles? I cared and so I got to meet with the men in the back room. I felt like I was in a scene from the Sopranos and I was being threatening by a Made Man.
And I wondered .If an organization uses threats of disfellowshipping or other intimidation to shut people up dont they cease from being a religious organization and become part of organized crime?
And can you believe I kept preaching?
But no more. What would you have me tell people? This organization SHOULD be okay for you if nothing goes wrong in your life? But if it does and especially if you are a woman or a child, then this organization will destroy your life? Is that the message you would have me bring to the doors?
