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  WTSComplainstoGuardianBatesRepliesFloggingCase

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

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  stephen bates recently wrote an article about the flogging death of a girl in chicago http://www.guardian.co.uk/archive/article/0,4273,4301026,00.html.

  he kindly sent me a copy of a letter he received from the wts office in pennsylvania and gave me permission to post it.

  i don't have time to fix the formatting right now.. .

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  Dear AlanF,
  I must say that I agree with all your arguments. Good point!
  But, do you have the right to speak with people in this terms: "You're obviously a typically blinded JW follower, Nassau. You're about to get an eyeful".
  Who are you, AlanF? Holder of the Supreme Truth? A Blinded non-believer?
  Behave yourselves gentlemen. We are not here to offend people. I am not here to OFFEND OR DEFEND Catholics, Protestants, JWs, or anyone.
  IF YOU CONTINUE LIKE THIS, YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES, the ones you blame and attack. Otherwise, you are the blind.
  Do you want to continue to discuss the matters or to get into continuing offenses and bloody stupid nonsense monologues.
  Get serious!
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  WTSComplainstoGuardianBatesRepliesFloggingCase

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  stephen bates recently wrote an article about the flogging death of a girl in chicago http://www.guardian.co.uk/archive/article/0,4273,4301026,00.html.

  he kindly sent me a copy of a letter he received from the wts office in pennsylvania and gave me permission to post it.

  i don't have time to fix the formatting right now.. .

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  Expatbrit said:
  "In fact, the Catholic church has rightly been held responsible and widely condemned for it's mishandling of child abuse, and it's failing to prevent further abuse by perpetrators".
  C - Can you give us a specific single example of it, Expatbrit?

  Expatbrit said:
  "I for one find it only just that the Watchtower should be held to the standards it applies to others"
  C - You mean that, the Catholic Church does not even have moral standards to be applied, as most of his members do not show it?
  Show me one single book, magazine, leaflet, that shows us that the WTS does not defend or promoted high standards of moral among JWs!

  Expatbrit said:
  "I find it enormously telling that the Watchtower so obviously fails to meet that test."
  C - Where was the test for the Catholic Church during, verbi gratia, the terrible killings in Iberian Peninsula during the "Inquisição" and during I and II world war when they blessed the weaponry?
  It is difficult to discuss any subject with people with preconception about a religion.
  Nassau (a free citizen without the glasses of religion)
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  WTSComplainstoGuardianBatesRepliesFloggingCase

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  stephen bates recently wrote an article about the flogging death of a girl in chicago http://www.guardian.co.uk/archive/article/0,4273,4301026,00.html.

  he kindly sent me a copy of a letter he received from the wts office in pennsylvania and gave me permission to post it.

  i don't have time to fix the formatting right now.. .

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  For reflection:
  If a Catholic sexually molest or murders his own children, nobody will say that the Priest is guilty, or that, the entire Catholic Church should be condemned, because it could not prevent this conduct from one Catholic follower.
  Why should we condemn all JW Organisation by one nasty conduct? Judas was a close follower of Jesus Christ!
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  WTSComplainstoGuardianBatesRepliesFloggingCase

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  stephen bates recently wrote an article about the flogging death of a girl in chicago http://www.guardian.co.uk/archive/article/0,4273,4301026,00.html.

  he kindly sent me a copy of a letter he received from the wts office in pennsylvania and gave me permission to post it.

  i don't have time to fix the formatting right now.. .

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  Dear Mr. Bates,
  I appreciate your job as a journalist - but you are not exempt from critics! Your job can be judge by the readers, ca it? You shouldn't write as Catholic but as journalist. Here are some examples of your professionalism and objectiveness:
  1 - "Even at the level of definitions Nassau reveals a certain degree of ignorance"
  Comment: Is it professionally correct to call the readers 'ignorant' just if they do not agree with your personal point of view about the report? All information that I got from the long Catholic vs. Protestant war is from your colleagues journalists (TV news, radio, newspapers); If I am an ignorant about this subject I can thank you, journalists. Would not be better to say, vs., "Mr. Nassau is not well informed about this subject" or "there is a lack of information patent in the words of Mr. Nassau"?
  2 - "I am not trying to attack religion in general, or particular, Nassau, or its adherents"
  Comment: You have to wait for a normal reaction from those who feel attacked by your reports. If I attack your religion, it is normal to wait that you, as Catholic, your reaction and response, isn't it Mr. Bates? What would you expect from JWs? Applause?
  3 - "But no one has yet pointed out to me any significant factual or interpretive errors in what I have written"
  C - Typical...very typical reaction at any single observations about our work. Let's see:
  3.1 - "significant"? maybe for you, evidently, Mr. Bates.
  "Interpretation"? Is always different according to the various points of view.
  "Errors"? are hardly ever recognized by their own authors, Mr. Bates.
  4 - How many Catholics, Protestant, Muslim, Hindus, Jewish, etc. etc. daily rape, beat, molest, murder their own children, that are subject to your keen journalistic eyes? Have you ever thought why, when a JW molest his child is the target of all media, while one Catholic can practice it every single day, without "the flashes of the cameras"? Why is that, Mr. Bates? I wonder!
  5 - I am not defending or attacking any particular religion or belief. I am not observing any religious person individually (as you do it), but I am against a specific organization that used lies and mislead people for ten long years! Which is quite different from your Catholic’s point of view, Mr. Bates, quite different!
  Nassau
  (a citizen wearing not any religious glasses)
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  Were Gillies/WTS UNLetters honest - JW Perceptions

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

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  there is an interesting discussion going on at http://www.touchstoneforum.org/~dchoi/dcforum/dcforumid1/186.html#1.

  it bears on the question - just what perception has the various wts letters - i.e., gillies's and the recent letters from hq, actually created.

  is it an accurate one?.

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  Most of the JWs do not want even to care or hear about this scandal as they say it is only fake stories to descredit the WTS. To all those JWs I have contacted they say it will not have even any tiny impact into the Org. structure!!
  Bah...
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  WTSComplainstoGuardianBatesRepliesFloggingCase

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  stephen bates recently wrote an article about the flogging death of a girl in chicago http://www.guardian.co.uk/archive/article/0,4273,4301026,00.html.

  he kindly sent me a copy of a letter he received from the wts office in pennsylvania and gave me permission to post it.

  i don't have time to fix the formatting right now.. .

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  There are two different things here:
  1 - telling the truth about what happened, to expose and to reveal stories with objectiveness and impartiality (without the “glasses of any religion);
  2 - trying to attack a religion, as an organization that states to be representing millions of sincere people (does it?);
  3 – take advantage of the misfortune of some religious people individually (and not representing any religion as a whole).
  What about the stories of the Catholic and the Protestants Churches in Northern Ireland? How does Mr. Bates view this?
  Nassau
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  MAJOR PRESS REACTION!!

  by OhHappyDay in

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  http://jornal.publico.pt/publico/2002/01/20/sociedade/s08.html .

  well, i have been busy...

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  Thank you very much to all people here investigating this scandal.
  Nassau (the Taciturn)
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  Letter to all Branches------A Fake?

  by miner in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  many of you are no doubt familiar with the nov.1, 2001 "letter to all branches" putting forth the the library card defense.

  (the letter can be seen at: ) i gave a copy of the letter to a jehovah's witness friend of mine who took it to one of his elders.

  the elder said the letter is a fake because: (1) it is not written on official wt letterhead and (2) watchtower does not send such correspondence via the (eeeevil) internet.

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  In Portugal all brotherhood even said that this "UN scandal" is a complete fake launched by the WTS's enemies! I am not surprised with the reaction from this poor blind programmed elder.
  Nassau
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  No Change in 1991 - Library Card

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

  1. watchtower
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  i received the folowing two emails from dana loytved who is senior reference librarian at the un library in nyc.. in view of her first reply i asked her what procedure the wts used to access the library before 1991. her second reply is a bit cryptic but she states with confidence that there were no changes in procedure.

  i don't want to pester these kind folks any more.. .

  the procedure for a library pass is the following: the interested party needs to fill out an application form and supply a letter of recommendation in support of the research.

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  Perfect argument Five Gospels! Why should we continue to try to search for good excuses for all these lies! In Portugal they have used completely different arguments for the same shit.
  Nassau
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  Alward's Library Card and the Portuguese Letter

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

  1. watchtower
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  despite a total lack of credible evidence alward continues to insist that the wts affiliated as an ngo with the un merely to get a library card.

  since the various statements issued by the wts have been deceitful, dishonest and contradictory then there is no reason to believe them.

  the onus of proof is on them, not upon those who documented this embarrassing relationship.

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  Not surprisingly this scandal did not affect anything in the Portuguese JWs at all. I spoke to some Portuguese JWs friends that told me "nothing is wrong with this involvement, because it was for a very good cause - to help our brothers and sisters in Angola and Mozambique - to defend the most basic human rights".
  Funny, now Jehovah God needs to beg the help of Satan the Devil to protect his own children!!
  Hypocrites, that's it.
  Nassau