I always thought it was so stupid when they would say "If someone asks how the work is financed". Who the f@ck would EVER ask that, after taking the magazines at the door. Oh, what lovely magazines, Oh and btw how is this financed, yeah right!
Dunedain
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"So that we will not be confused with salesmen, it is best not to mention the donation arrangement unless we are asked..."
by Island Man in"so that we will not be confused with salesmen, it is best not to mention the donation arrangement unless we are asked how our work is financed.".
this damning quote is found on page 1 of the september 2015 our kingdom ministry, the last sentence in the 3rd bullet point under the sub-heading how to do it.
this quote amounts to an implicit admission that the jw practice of mentioning the donation arrangement to householders at the door, makes them look like door to door salesmen.. why would "jehovah's organization" be engaging in a practice that is nothing more than a transparent attempt at undercover soliciting?
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Is it really that great being one of the Governing Body Members?
by John Aquila inmovie stars travel to, or buy their own private beaches, they get invited to fun parties, and are able to buy not one, but several fast sport cars like jay leno.
they can buy their own planes and helicopters and fly them like harrison ford.
(how much fun would that be?
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Dunedain
My ex-Grandmother inlaw, was OBSESSED with being up the GB's asses, and since we were in a congregation in the NYC borough, she had "access" to them. Brother Henschel, who at the time i think? was the top GB, was literally invited to my ex-wifes BRIDAL SHOWER, by my ex-grandmother in law. The crazy thing is, he actually WENT, and was the only male at the bridal shower, even i wasnt there and i was the groom, lol. She used to shower him with gifts and cash, and she would call him her "personal angel".
Henschel NEVER said a word about like "please, i am just a humble servent", NOPE, instead he would eat it up. His grubby hands were out all the time for her cash. He probably looked at it as a type of "business move" to go to my ex-wives shower. Knowing that by continuing to be her "personal angel", she would keep dropping the cash. I heard, cause i wasnt personally there, that at the bridal shower he sat at a table and chair of prominence, like he was a "god".
It still baffles me till this day, 20 some what years later, that he had the balls to be the only dude at a bridal shower, and was the head of the governing body, and all because my ex-grandmother was financially rich and everyone, including the GB, KNEW it.
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Where have all the spiritual men gone?
by ToesUp inthis photo was on jw-archive.. sisters are now passing microphones due to a lack of qualified brothers.
this was in a english speaking group in slovenia .
i feel sorry for the guy in the blue shirt!
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Dunedain
I remember having the "privilege" of handling the mics at a VERY young age. I was like 9 or 10, no BS, but i had to wear a tie and jacket, which i did anyway. My case was not typical though, in the Elders minds, i was destined for "great" things, so they tried to start me early. Lol, boy did i disapoint them, lol. -
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Sheep who mate in front of stripey trees will produce stripey offspring
by purrpurr ingenesis 30:37 leaving aside the whole "joseph cheats laham out of his flock" issue.
one passage of scripture that i've missed until now is 30:37 where it says how joseph got all the sheep to be stripey etc ( btw have you ever seen a stripey sheep?
cos i certainly haven't!).
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Dunedain
The truly incredible, wonderful, faith strengthening, miracle here from Jehovah, is not the "striped" sheep, its that God turned Jacobs sheep into Zebras, lol. -
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Are the J.W's reaching a "Tipping point"?
by karter ini haven't been to a meeting in 15 years but my mother and sister are hard as j.w's.
the brothers they are appointing elders are at best suspect like one guy from my old hall made elder,big time drug used before becoming a j.w his talks are all over the place and would have struggled to make m,s years ago but with at least 60 to 70 % of young ones leaving the pool to pick from is at best reduced.. 2 other recent elders both young and zero life experience both on benefits one not well at all falls asleep all the time.. the decent,kind elders mostly older and are decent people with alot of life experience are burning out fast as there are so few of them left like 3 per congro of 100 publishers.. then you have the rich elders who wouldn't ever think of inviting some poor older or mis-fit person out to the expensive placers they go to as they couldn't afford to go so they are above the r&f and the r&f get pissed off with them.
then we have the ones who have "put the kingdom 1st" who are now old worn out and barely getting by from welfare cheque to welfare cheque that are saying "the system should have been over many years ago" it's still here and they are struggling everyday.. then there are the pioneers who have a low payed reduced hour job that seem to think anyone who has anything is totally materialistic and looks down on anyone getting a new car buying a house ect.. along with the child abuse issues,the generation change,access to information the the g.b don't want anyone to know ,not to mention the issues around blood.. is there a tipping point coming????
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Dunedain
It is really a domino affect at this point. I do beleive the WT is at a crucial point, and is slowly imploding. This "slow" imploding, however, will soon turn into the rapid demise of the WT, like the final sands in an hourglass.
The OP's description of his KH, is exactly how most of our old cong's were, and are. It takes time for major changes to start, but once true integral, fundamental, changes start to happen, its only a matter of time before it "blooms".
The Congregations are sick, the healthy flowers(older, compassionate elders) have died, or are put out to pasture. The idiot "yes" men, that 10 years ago, would NEVER have even made servant, are "running" things. There is NO "new blood" coming in, or any inteligent people of worth joining this religion. The RF are simple minded, poverty stricken, un-educated, drones.
This is NOW the norm, and its taken 10 years to get to this low point. Now the sickness will grow exponentously. In another 10 years, the hanger ons, and quiet doubters, will FINALLY give up, and realize the sesspool that the once "grand" congregation has become. The sickness will now be at critical mass. No fruit will bloom, no love will reside there, only doubt, and pain and hurt. The branches will all be broken, the roots long withered and died away, and all that are left will wallow in the mud that is left behind.
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Meandering thoughts of a recent JW funeral experience
by undercover ini went to the kh a couple of weeks ago.
for a funeral.
i haven't been in a kh, except for funerals, for several years.
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Dunedain
The last time i went to the KH, it was for a bro. who died, but was also a business partner of mine. Our families became business partners BEFORE i was DF"d, but we still did some business together up until his death. I went out of respect and actual true love and admiration for this person, and wanted to support his family, even if it was just by being there. Funny thing too, but this person who passed away, was actually a PARTAKER during his later years, LOL, but thats a whole other crazy story.
Anyway, many people Love bombed me, some i hadnt seen in years, and i thought it was really cool of some, that they were willing to talk to me, right there in the KH, no matter who was looking, especially the haughty, power hungry a-hole elders,(its funny how no matter what or where, these same asshole type elders were and are in everyone heres stories).
The only people that snubbed me, were the Elders and their miserable, crusty, dry crotched wives. Not even a smile or a simple wave. Just complete and idiotic, sick, and psychotic, ignoring, and refusing to look me in my eyes. And beleive me, i am standing tall and proud, looking them in their eyes. I have nothing to be ashamed of. Since i was DF'd, instead of my life being some pitiful worldly existance, i have become a huge financial success, and have a beautiful, healthy and happy family. Word of my "success" had become so well known, that i heard the elder that DF'd me actually mentioned in a public talk about how even "some" who have been DF'd could still go on to have wonderful lives after, but this was because "they" were raised in the truth, and therfore "valuable". Such BS, i thought if you were DF'd, you were gonna whither and die from lack of Jehovahs spirit.
A few years earlier, my OWN Grandfather died, and my worldly grandmother had a wake for him. So all the JW's came, cause my parents are still in it, and those elders were all nice and giving their condolences to me, but then when i show up to the actual KH a year later, they ignore me like i am literally not standing in front of them, staring them in their eyes. Its so stupid, and such an insult to my intelligence.
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A problem with the book of Daniel
by wozza inleft the wts some years ago, but just before i left we were studying the daniel book that they produced in the book study .. i noticed something wrong in the bible account of daniel and brought this up at the end of the study when the conductor asked if everyone understood that nights study,.
i think i may have started a topic here some years ago about this event ,it was a time when i started to question the wts in my heart and mind.the scriptures are lengthy so i will just shorten things by describing the stories in daniel and how one point really got me thinking about things and perhaps made the brothers wierd out about me sand distance themselves ,here it is..........dan ch 1-4. daniels ( who came to be called belteshazzar)in babylon along with shadrach,meshach & abednego ,daniel,after praying with these 3, interprets and states what nebuchadnezzars dream is( we all know this ,the image with the head of gold body of iron and copper etc) and they are rewarded by being positions of authority.
daniel made ruler of the province and chief prefect over babylons wise men ,the 3 were made overseers of the administation of the province ,all very important jobs ,.
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Dunedain
What about the fact that if Shadrach, Meschach, and Abendnigo, were "God fearing Jews", then why were they even going to the plain of Dura in the first place? Especially since the purpose of going there was because Neb wanted it to be a ceremony of INAUGURATION OF A GOLDEN IDOL! The 3 in question, who were there, would have surely known what this ceremony was about, especially considering their "high positions".
That would have been like a JW today, going to a ceremony in the city, of an unveiling of a statue of Jesus on the cross, or an unveiling of a new giant American flag in the towns square. Can you imagine a JW being caught going to an event like that, and NOT getting DF'd.
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Lurker trying to gain clarity
by questioningmyfaith inhello all, i would like to first say that i am basically questioning my faith in god.
i am not negative towards the wt at all.
so honestly i am to concerned with more ad hominem attacks towards the wt because i still love the organization and the people in it.
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Dunedain
QMF, you should "question" an organization that tells a fellow Elder, who is literally questioning the very fundamentals of the religion, to continue "sheparding", "protecting", "leading", "preaching to", "caring for", and "helping", the "flock".
How could those men, in good conscience, tell you to continue to be an Elder, if you are questioning it. It truly shows the hypocrisy that exists in the WT. Elders are supposedly appointed to protect and care for the flock, but if those Elders TRULY cared for that flock that they claim to protect, they would NEVER allow you, someone who is even questioning the existance of their God, to continue to care for the sheep.
Instead, the "chance" of losing another company policeman, out weighs the protecting of their flock.
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Generation changes chart - 3rd edition
by truthseeker ini started working on this chart 5 years ago.
i didn't think i'd have to update it again so soon.. .
linky in case image doesn't show below.
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Dunedain
That "infamous" Watchtower cover with the older "anointed", and saying about the passing of this 1914 generation, is so iconic. I remember it from when i was a kid, like it was yesterday.
Wouldnt it be funny to get the names of all those elderly "brothers" and "sisters", that were on the cover of that magazine, and find out which ones have passed away. I could almost guarantee that, almost, if not ALL, of them are dead. How funny would it be that all those on that cover about a generation "that would never pass away", are long dead and buried.
I bet it wouldnt be that hard to find out either. LOL, ridiculous.
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1942 Book "The New World"
by Debra Ann Romano ini grew up in a magnificent, 3-story, greek revival house on the once very rural staten island ny.
the house was originally part of a huge compound, cannery, farm, and wbbr radio station owned by the watchtower society.
my late grandparents purchased 1065 woodrow rd in 1957 and that is where i spent the next 12 years of my life.
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Dunedain
Beleive it or not, i probably could help you. I too, am from the south shore of Staten Island. In fact, are you ready to have your mind blown, i have ties to the Eltingville Cong. I recognise your name, too. I know/knew the Dillons, Spruel, Kausyla, they were OLD timers, just to drop a few names. Anyway, i will ask my Dad, he may know that name. Funny how the writing was dated for Sept 18th, and thats todays date, also it says Huguenot, and that new Kingdom Hall is on Huguenot ave, old Kausyla house.