Posts by Dunedain

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Great Evening....

by Lee Elder in

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friends

...with dick and helen kelly.

got to meet joe and barbara anderson and their friend joy on their whirlwind u.s. tour.

wonderful conversation and opportunity to reminisce about our wts experiences and our plans for the future.

Dunedain

Pardon my ignorance, and i mean no disrespect, but can anyone, please, fill me in as to who these persons are, and what their work is, thanks so much.

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Who would you like to hear of leaving the Jehovah's Witnesses ?

by wozza in

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friends

i'll start off with this one:.

some years ago when i was formulating my exit, i employed for some time an ms brother from another congregation.. i'd had a couple of young "worldly" lads work for me but they proved unreliable as they used drugs or alchohol and consequently would'nt arrive at work and such like.. so when i was was contacted by this brother and spoke to him and heard he'd worked at the australian bethel for some time on construction and wanted an opportunity to learn the trade of bricklaying ,i thought ,"great someone to finally trust and be reliable".

he was in his 40's at the time and he worked like a trojan ,was honest ,really likeable and interesting ,could play the classical guitar beautifully ,had a beautiful family.

Dunedain

I wish Jehovah would leave the cult. Oh wait, i think he did.

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Jan 2016 study WT attempt to keep control of professed anointed ones, brainwashing in action!

by EndofMysteries in

a really great example of wt pulling doctrine out of their heiney that nowhere exists in the scriptures!

when i started waking up to ttatt, i remember in my own reading the tons of scriptures that speak of god, the holy spirit, etc teaching directly.

tons of scriptures that go against the wt doctrine of only able to learn through them.

Dunedain

The "voices" in my head, are teling me that i am "special", but ONLY us. Anything else that anybody else, hears, or feels, is not real. Its just real when I hear it. What mentally diseased humans, these men are. It is absolutely sick, and on many levels.

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Is the end of Watchtowers hated No Blood doctrine in sight?

by nicolaou in

i won't pretend to know things that i don't but just look at the incredible rate of change we've witnessed recently.

it seems that since candace conti and the australian royal commission the watchtower are scrabbling around to shore up their finances in the face of unprecedented legal action against them.. abuse settlement claims are one thing but what happens when children die as a result of your religious teachings?!

you can bet wt legal are arguing for a complete rewrite of policy to protect the organisation from litigation.. do you think their religious privilege will protect them forever?

Dunedain

Yep, they can, and may, do all the above, and it could maybe make the WTS come out squeaky clean. What a "great and wonderful" act this would be. Praise Jehovah, that his organization, would then be squeaky clean, at the expense of childrens lives, newborn babies chances to live, and the unbearable suffering of the parents, who sacrificed their children upon the alter of the WTS. YaaaY, for the squeaky clean image of the WTS, built upon the bones of dead children.

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Is the end of Watchtowers hated No Blood doctrine in sight?

by nicolaou in

i won't pretend to know things that i don't but just look at the incredible rate of change we've witnessed recently.

it seems that since candace conti and the australian royal commission the watchtower are scrabbling around to shore up their finances in the face of unprecedented legal action against them.. abuse settlement claims are one thing but what happens when children die as a result of your religious teachings?!

you can bet wt legal are arguing for a complete rewrite of policy to protect the organisation from litigation.. do you think their religious privilege will protect them forever?

Dunedain

If, they ever decided to essentially, completely do away with the "blood issue", the WTS would have so much blood guilt, it would not be funny. If they just stopped it now, then they would be opening themselves up, morally, and legally, to all the familys who HAVE lost loved ones over the years, due to not accepting blood. The backlash, would be unprecedented, of ex-JW's, and current Jw's, who lost children to this hardlined doctrine, for it then to be done away with. Can you imagine, the legal ramifications.

Make no mistakes, the LEGAL ramifications, is the only reason that it is still in effect, but only mildly, compared to how it used to be. The BS, that the WTS is putting out concerning blood, where you CAN use this fraction, or that fraction, this part , but not that part, its all BULLSHIT. None of it is scriptural, whether concerning the fractions, or even the issue of blood itself. Even in the bible, it is DIETARY, and it was ONLY about maybe stumbling your fellow brother, then it would maybe be wise to abstain, but NOT in a case of a perons very life itself depending on it.

The fact that the WTS, has essentially, done away with it, by not being hardlined anymore, or taking fractions is OK, or knowing that the courts may intervene, anyway, is APPALING. People have died over this. People have lost their children over this. I would almost, have more respect for them, if they still stuck to their guns, and continued it to be NO BLOOD, but the fact that they are now white washing it, and sweeping it under the rug, but still COWARDLY, not fully coming out and saying its OK now, is WRONG.

The WTS is NO longer giving out any up to date blood cards. They have all but made it allowable to take almost every part of blood, that its practically allowed now, but they still wont come out and say its OK. This is appalling, as some may STILL die from this no blood policy, not even realising that the GB's stance has softened. This is so wrong on their part, and justice should, and will be served soon. Those deaths of children and others, is on the GB and WTS. The BLOOD is on their heads, and they will be judged for it, mark my words, its coming.

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My experience with a Judicial Committee, when in my early 20's

by Dunedain in

i joined this wonderful site, only a few weeks ago, although i have been away from the borg, for almost 20 years.

i didnt introduce myself, on a personal level, but i jumped right in, commenting, making threads, and just immersing myself in this community.

what a time, indeed, to be here, its almost as if i was "called" here, because the week i lurked, and joined, was when all this recent stuff came out.

Dunedain

@ - Mad irishman - I hope that is true, but i personally feel its not. The Elders are almost never held accountable for their actions. their asses are kissed, and their wrds are hung on, as the sheeple bob their heads up and down. As a whole, there is hardly any accountability to these men. What they do, behind closed doors, many times is never brought out to the "open". If someone gets DF'd, then the rest of the cong just assumes they deserved it, and or had it coming. Until it happens to them, personally, it means nothing. If someone, like myself, is truly bullied and hurt by these men, and then leaves, never coming back, then the cong thinks they deserved to be away. If you choose to eat their shit, and get reinstated, then once back, you cannot expose the Elders about what they did and said. Part of coming back, is going along with, that what they said and did was right. Either way, the Elders actions are NOT held to accountability.

@ - Everyone else - Just typing down this experience i went thru, was a bit therapuetic in of itself. I didnt expect all the other comments and support to be so helpful, and insightful. I had a feeling that others here, may have had similar experiences. I knew i wasnt the only one, lol. Thanks for all of your kind words.

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Pagan Origins

by Illuminated in

why are jw's not allowed to do certain things because they have "pagan origins", yet the very same roof over their head and the the food they place into their mouth is purchased through money with pagan origins on it?

pagan symbolism is all over money.

so if the wt leaders are so against paganism, why are they insisting "jehovah's" earthly organization needs pagan money to sustain itself, yet disfellowshipping members if they cross the line into paganism?.

Dunedain

Besides it being another way for them to use something for control, and create the illusion of "us and them", it also probably has financial reasons to "paganize" holidays specifically. If the members of your org are not spending countless dollars on Christmas, Birthdays, Halloween, and all the yearly holdidays with their commercial value, then this money can be given to the borg.

Its quite brilliant, if ya think about it. Tell the sheeple, " do not celebrate, and dont give your money over to paganism, but hand it over to US". Forget about using it to give your children a happy childhood. No, the children dont need that, the WTS needs your money, instead. So, in answer to the OP's question, the reason they pick and choose, is probably BECAUSE of the very money itself.

The most hypocrytical aspect of the WTS, and paganism, is also the very fact that the WTS's roots themselves ARE pagan. We see the watchtower symbol as their main symbol, yet, as brought up earlier, that symbol itself has tremendous pagan origins. The massonic symbols, that were plastered all over the original literature, are all pagan in origin. From the cross and crown, to the watchtower itself, all pagan.

Its again, just another example of them picking and choosing based on convenience and neccessity.

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My experience with a Judicial Committee, when in my early 20's

by Dunedain in

i joined this wonderful site, only a few weeks ago, although i have been away from the borg, for almost 20 years.

i didnt introduce myself, on a personal level, but i jumped right in, commenting, making threads, and just immersing myself in this community.

what a time, indeed, to be here, its almost as if i was "called" here, because the week i lurked, and joined, was when all this recent stuff came out.

Dunedain

It really is/was such a power trip for some of these men. Yes, there are always, the "kind, older" Elders, and the "fair" ones, but usually they do NOT have the "power". They are typically bullied themselves, in a subtle way, and in turn the power hungry ones dominate.

In my case, the judicial committee that was put together for me, was with 3 heavy duty, hard asses. I mean, i was actually yelled at by these men. I was told that whatever i am going thru, I deserve, due to my past actions, and that my "fate" is in Jehovahs hands, and basically i am in for a life of heartache if i stay DF'd, which is what THEY did to me.

The beauty about this all, and i still must come back to it, is that they did me a favor. I was out now, and FREE, and at an age where i still had my whole life ahead of me.

I wound up becoming very successful in business. I have a beautiful family, and children now, and lead a wonderful, financially comfortable, life.

Word of my "success" had actually gotten back to the PO elder, who was the "main" one on my judicial committee. I actually attended a meeting many years later, and he was giving a part and specifically said something concerning me. He actually had the audacity to say, as i was sitting there, "although we may hear that certain ones who have been disfellowshipped, are leading a successful life, it only makes sense, since they were raised in the truth, and learned valuable qualities that helped them become successful". It was ridiculous, he was actually addressing me. Meanwhile, what a hypocrite, he said i was going to lead a miserable life "away" from them, but quite the opposite was true. I have FLOURISHED away from these evil men.

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My experience with a Judicial Committee, when in my early 20's

by Dunedain in

i joined this wonderful site, only a few weeks ago, although i have been away from the borg, for almost 20 years.

i didnt introduce myself, on a personal level, but i jumped right in, commenting, making threads, and just immersing myself in this community.

what a time, indeed, to be here, its almost as if i was "called" here, because the week i lurked, and joined, was when all this recent stuff came out.

Dunedain

I joined this wonderful site, only a few weeks ago, although i have been away from the BORG, for almost 20 years. I didnt introduce myself, on a personal level, but i jumped right in, commenting, making threads, and just immersing myself in this community. What a time, indeed, to be here, its almost as if i was "called" here, because the week i lurked, and joined, was when ALL this recent stuff came out. From the meeting change, to the stopping of some construction, to the lay-offs, and all the BS. Adding all these recent changes, to the changes in "generation", what they are doing with blood fractions, and of course the child abuse issues, and it just truly shows that 'SOMETHING" is going on in the borg, and its not good. The loss of spirit, if it was even ever there, is quite evident.

Anyway, being that i kinda "jumped" right in, and didnt really introduce myself, i wanted to at least give a personal experience today, in this thread. I do not want to reveal too much about myself personally, for many reasons, but i do want to tell about a specific judicial commitee that i was bullied in, and how i was treated.

There are SO MANY stories, and things i can say, and i am sure that over time i will share many of it. I know that many have had the same, or similiar situations, when dealing with men, and Elders who have NO business judging other humans, yet they do so, and quite unlovingly. I am going to keep it short and to the point.

I had "sinned" when i was in my teens, for "normal" things. Pre-marital sex, smoking pot, those kind of experimental things that a semi-normal teenager, sometimes does. The problem was, i was baptised, and a JW. I was baptized at an early age, i think around 13 or 14, as we all know you are pressured to do when in the borg. Looking back, i can honestly and truly say, i did NOT know what it really meant to dedicate your LIFE to something.

Fast forward to a few years later, and i had STOPPED those things, and was living a "changed" life back in the "truth". I did NOT confess what i had done, but simply relied on my personal relationship with Jah, and in my actions, and knowing what i had done, and was doing now were big differences, and was better. I even felt my relationship with Jah was good, and i was having prayers answered, and all that good BS. I married a sister in the KH, things were looking good.

Then my "mistakes" came out, and the Elders found out about the things i had done. I was in my VERY early 20's, at this point, so i had a few years of living a "changed" life, which to me should show repentance, by my very actions, NOT just words. However, this was NOT good enough for the Elders. They told me, via judicial committee, that i should have confessed/told them everything, when i should have done that, and because i didnt, it means i wasnt truly sorry. I told them i knew i did wrong, and made the correct changes, but i wasnt prepared to "open" myself up, and it was hard for me, but in time maybe i would have.

I stressed that i LOVED Jehovah, i LOVED the org. I did NOT want to leave or be DF'D. I was truly sorry, and that i NEEDED the brothers, and support of the congregation, especially since because of all this my young marriage was breaking up(that is another story, and quite a crazy one, but better left for another time), and i needed to be here in the congregation.

Well, it all fell on deaf ears. I was LITERALLY yelled at, and told i should NOT be asking to stay and help, but begging for forgiveness, and that i DESERVE to be PUNISHED! Jehovah could NOT have been answering ANY of my prayers and that he IS VERY disapointed in me. This was all done WITHOUT love, but with anger. The PO Elder, who i knew my whole life, had the audacity to BLAME ME for all the "problems" in the congregation. That because i "hid" my sins, then Jehovahs spirit was not fully with the congregation. Mind you, the congregation WAS in trouble, there were MANY divisions, and issues. But it had nothing to do with my 21 year old self, and the PROOF is that AFTER i was DF'd and gone, the issues became WORSE. The Elder body was split up, and 4 Elders went to different congregations, due to disagreements, and other things, and people were dropping like flies. Continuing on, i begged them for mercy and told them i was truly repentant, and one of the Elders said, "well even Judas was repentant after he commited his sin". This asshole actually compared me to JUDAS, the murderer of Jesus. Of couse, the final result was i was DF'd.

Looking back it was the BEST thing, it led to me being away from the cult. I was so stumbled and treated so horribly by these men, that i eventually stopped trying to get re-instated. I was just a 21 year old person. I was bullied by these men. I am now 40 years old, and if these men would have tried anything like this to the man i am today, it would have beena totally different story, and probably with a few bloody noses.

I just wanted to give this small example, and share what happened to me. I have so many more stories too, and even this one has more, but all in due time. I wanted to tell this true story, to serve as a reminder of the borgs hypocrasy. These Elders took NO responsibility for their OWN actions, and maybe it being the reason their congregation was failing. NO, instaed they wanted to blame ME. Well, it starts from the top down, and they will be judged, as they have judged. These Elders, threw me to the "wolves". not lovingly sheparding, but instead, unlovingly JUDGING. Shame on them.

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If Jehovah's Witnesses were a cereal, what would they be?

by Zoos in

cult flakes?.

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(welcome to the height of intellectual thread topics.

Dunedain

TOTAL, bullshit.