Dunedain
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Warwick Polution
by scotoma inhas there been any discussion about why jehovah would guide his people to a polluted property to build their world headquarters?
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Dunedain
@ - Scotoma - Can you expound on the "pollution" issue concerning Warwick, please? I must be outta the loop, cause i havnt heard anything about it. I appreciate you letting us know, thanks. -
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I just found out that my youngest brother committed suicide
by SnakesInTheTower inmy middle brother called me a couple of hours ago.
our youngest brother, josh, who was 38, was found by his friends in his apartment.
he hung himself.
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Dunedain
WOW, thats horrible! I am so sorry for your loss, man. It must be almost immpossible to process right now. You are probably going to be going through a shit ton of emotions, and it may be very hard to "navigate" them, so if ya need to talk, and or vent, or "sort" things out, for what its worth, i am sure everyone here will be happy to talk with ya. Again, sorry for this bad news that you received, hang in there.
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What were Satan and his demons "doing" up in heaven, before being "cast down" in 1914?
by Dunedain ini was just thinking about how the wts has been spouting off for years that satan and his demons were cast down to the vicinity of the earth in 1914, but really, when you think about it, what was the difference before 1914 or after 1914?.
its not like satan and his demons did not have access to the earth.
satan and his demons always were messing with earth.
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Dunedain
I was just thinking about how the WTS has been spouting off for YEARS that Satan and his demons were cast down to the vicinity of the earth in 1914, but really, when you think about it, what was the difference before 1914 or after 1914?
Its not like Satan and his demons did not have access to the earth. According the the bible, and the org, he was in the garden of eden, using a snake to "screw" with Adam and Eve. They have been "messing" with Gods "seed" from the beginning, and all the way thru the whole bible. Satan and his "organisation", according to the WTS, have been responsible for all the evils in this world. From Using Cain, Nimrod, all the nations that opposed Isreal, the world powers, and up unto this very day by "misleading" or trying to tempt Jehovahs people, lol.
So, basically, we can assume from this, that Satan and his demons were ALWAYS was dealing with humanity, and in the "vicinity" of the earth. Really then, whats the difference, after 1914, or before 1914, as he was always "messing" with humanity and in a very intimate way, IN and ON the earth.
So, if he, since 1914, is ONLY "stuck" in the "vicinity" of the earth, (A) Whats the difference?
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(B) What was he and his demons "doing" differently before 1914?
If the ONLY change, after 1914, is that he is stuck in the vicinity of planet earth, then, logically, we must conclude that he/they were "doing" something up in HEAVEN. So, what could that be? Revelations says that there was a "war in heaven", and the WTS concludes that this means their butts were kicked down to earth and humanity, even though they were messing with us anyway, whatever.
So, what were they doing in heaven? Were they "harrassing" Jehovah, and Jesus? Were they "misleading" other "good" angels? Did this kind of crap, just start AFTER Adam was created, or was it before, too? If it was before, then why would God even dare to create mankind, if there was "issues". If Satan and his demons ONLY started messing with "heaven", after mans creation, then according to bible/WTS chronology, that would have only been happening for around 6000 years, and STOPPED at 1914, when they were "cast down" to earth. Is THAT enough time for "issues" to be settled IN THE SPIRIT WORLD?
It seems like Satan and his demon gang, must have really been "annoying" God and the angels. I mean, there was a WAR, right? What were they doing to them? Hurling insults? Calling then "nerds" up in heaven? Saying things like, "ha ha, we get to hang out on earth and YOU cant"?
When you put it ALL down in words, it REALLY shows how it ALL just reads like BS. If 1914 was such a pivitol year, according to the WTS, then how the WTS presents it, creates all these questions. Satan and his demons ALWAYS were messing with earth. They were ALWAYS within the vicinity of earth. What were they doing in HEAVEN, then, that caused them to NOW at 1914, to have to be kept ONLY in the vicinity of earth? Is it that "chaotic" up in Jehovahs "spirit" world, that Satan and his boys were just all helter skelter up there?
Whats everybodys thoughts on this? It just seems so ridiculous, BUT these kind of questions and "doctrine" ARE the cornerstone of JW theology. Think about it. . . . . . .
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Recent announcement on literature placements
by dbq407 ini find it interesting that the other night they announced that literature is not to be left indiscriminately.
they said to only leave literature if the householder engages you in conversation.
it used to be that they would try to get any literature into every hand of every person.
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Dunedain
@ - JW Gonebad - Actually, if you think about it, maybe its not such a bad thing. Once, the already financially burdened, R&F buy all that expensive electronics, there aint gonna be any more money to put in the contribution boxes. Just another example of the fat pigs, on top, making stupid decisions that only backfire on the them, lol. -
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One reason behind the slow steady decline of JWs
by AllTimeJeff inhello first of all to those that remember me.
i'm doing well, 10 years since my missionary trip to cameroon.
i've met a couple of goals.
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Dunedain
Many people are saying how the WTS is now in a slow decline, and reading all the rapid, and recent changes, how can you not. Personally, i beleive the WTS was in a slow decay for the past 2 decades, and NOW we are seeing the RAPID collapse of it.
Things in a large corporation, dont go "south" quickly. It takes time, based on years of poor planning, and decision making. However, once they reach the point of "no return", things unravel at a quicker pace. We are, undoubtly, at this point NOW.
The past 20 years, was the slow "rot". The poor planning, foolish "moves" on EVERY level. NO nurturing of the flock. Not knowing just where they "stand", in this modern world, as they NEVER planned on being here for over 100 years. There has been no true leader, since Franz's death. The torch was passed, and dropped quickly, and in such a short period of time, and then to finally "land" on the current GB, shows that there is NOBODY to lead.
The foundation is crumbling, and it is at its final stage. The proof is in all the rapid, erratic, and many changes, in such a short period of time. This shows the DESPERATION in their actions. The final nail in the coffin is their financial problems. Throw that on top of an already collapsing organisation, with a weakened foundation, and it is just too much for them to bear any longer. We ARE at this stage NOW.
This organisation, with its claims of DIVINITY, was built on lies. That "foundation" alone, is weak. It is now over 100 years later. The lies have come full circle. The world can see it, from the touch of a computers buttons. It is, utterly, and completely exposed. This weak founded organisation has never prepared for being around for this long. It does not know how to navigate the current "world" we live in, and its "backwoods" old world rhetoric, is from a long by gone age. There is no leadership, only desperation. The decay has been for the last few decades, now we are witnessing the destruction.
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Revelation - it's grand climax is at hand
by Listener insome people point out the subliminal pictures in the wtbts publications but sometimes things are just so obvious, such as the title of the book above.. the person who came up with the title for this book must have had a good old laugh.. interestingly, this book first came out in 1988 and has not been included in the online library but nothing has replaced it.
the org is really going backwards when they ditch old light and cannot come up with anything new.
they are real wankers ;)..
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Dunedain
Can you guys clarify what is meant by types and anti-types, and what the WTS has said about it not being scriptural? I havnt heard about that yet. I appreciate it guys, thanks. -
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Jehovah's Witnesses May Have Peaked in Membership at 8 Million (+/-)
by OnTheWayOut ini don't have all the details of their new "service year" numbers, but i have read enough on jwn to state my opinion pretty strongly.. memorial attendance for 2015 was down.while they kept saying they were going to build a bunch of new kingdom halls, and everybody is still in recovery from watchtower taking all the local money away, they say pretty much that there isn't enough money to build new kingdom halls.putting gb members on the videos at jw .
org has allowed people to really put a face and personality to these guys and remove the mystery of how they should be such deeply spiritual serious men.
instead they see silly thoughts about tight pants and, really everything that comes out of lett's mouth is delivered ultra-goofy, along with the money reports.. the gb lost credibility a little more with every new light that shone down, with the strangest one being "overlapping generation.
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Dunedain
Wouldnt another "barometer", of "unrest", and "decline" with the R&F, be a huge influx, and increase in membership on THIS very site, and others like it. I would logically think that there must be some sort of corrolation between the 2, right?
Maybe Simon could let us know if lately, like within the past few months, or year, there has been an increase in membership, specifically. I dont know, just a thought.
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3 local needs parts on service meeting.
by hoser init is scheduled on our service meeting next week to have 3 local needs parts.
local needs 1 , local needs 2 and local needs 3.
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There is nothing worse than having the asshole Elders give a local needs talk, and its about YOU. Talk about having the OPPOSITE affect. It makes you want to not step foot in the KH, and just pushes you further out the door.
When i was a teenager, to very early 20's, the Elders gave local needs talks, ranging from, Heavy metal music to playing paintball.
The elder who gave the talk about "heavy Metal" music, had NO CLUE what he was talking about. It was ridiculous, he actually referenced Nirvana as being "heavy metal", and saying they have DISGUSTING lyrics about eating cancer, lol. All the idiots in the congregation audibally "gasped" out loud, it was so STUPID, lol.
Then the Elder giving the "local needs" on how WRONG it was to play paintball, was all "fire and brimstone". Saying how "evi", and "warlike" it was. The kick in the but was, however, that the same Elder giving that talk WAS A SPORT HUNTER. He even had a "trophy room", in his spare bedroom, with stuffed/taxidermied animals, like bears, geese, racoons, foxes, pheasants, and many other "dead bodies". I dont care about the fact that someone hunts for sport, i wouldnt do it, but i WONT judege YOU for it. So it WAS ok to use REAL GUNS and chase after animals, and blow their brains out, while dressed in orange camoflauge, and then gut open the dead animals with a knife, and skin and butcher them, BUT you couldnt have a few "brothers" chase each other around, have fun, and shoot paint at each other with FAKE paintball guns. Jehovah doesnt like THAT.
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Creepy things jw's have said to you
by purrpurr inhere's mine: i'm 14 years old, just baptised and a old boy married elder of about 60 odd comes up to me and says " ooooooooooh!
"purrpurr"!
your getting such a lovely figure on you!
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Dunedain
I remember the PO's son, one time, when talking about men and woman who were homo sexual, he said, " I dont get it, and why they choose to do that, and be that way, there is NO HOPE FOR THEM, THEY ARE ALL GOING TO DIE".
When he said this, i was only about 12 years old, but i NEVER forgot that. I even remember exactly where he said it, too. It was in the coatroom in the back of the Kingdom Hall. I always kinda looked up to him, too, as he was a few years older than me. He was probably 18 or 19 years old himself, when he said that. He also came from a very "spiritual family".
Last i heard, he is now an Elder for many years, and "running" his own congregation. He is very far away from where we grew up in a borough of NYC, in rural West Virginia now. In his mid to late 40's with his own family.
Years later, i used him, and his statement, as an example of how judgemental, wrong, and UN christ like JW's really are, when discussing things with my Father. My Father totally agreed, and we both said that you couldnt just chalk it up to "one" persons thinking, when the whole ORG, essentially teaches that about "homo sexuals". I said to my Father, that i just cant relate to an organization that mentally beleives that there is no "good" in a huge group of people, and they would, judgementally condemn them to DEATH, just because of a sexual preferance. Personally, i am hetero sexual, and i know MANY AWESOME human beings, that are "gay", or "lesbian", and i LOVE them as the beautiful people i have come to be TRUE friends with. I could never think "they are going to die", like that "brother" said.
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Gas prices today & the book study
by LevelThePlayingField inwe all remember, one of the main reasons for removing the bookstudy was the high gas prices, well, have you looked at the gas prices today?
nationwide, the lowest is about $1.65, the highest is about $2.67.
isn't that right about the same gas prices as when they cancelled the bookstudy in the first place?
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Dunedain
I am paying $1.85, on average, where i am in NJ, United States, and thats with FULL service. New Jersey is like one of the only states left, where there is ONLY full service, NO self serve, lol. Thats why NO chicks from NJ, know how to pump their own gas, lol.