@ Fulano - No, I was not in the Brooklyn heights congregation. I was born and raised in another borough, which is right next to Brooklyn. My old cong was in this borough too. Staten Island, for anonymity I wont mention my exact old congregation, but knowing the borough will narrow it down a bit, lol.
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Does the governing body know what they are doing?
by Gefangene inwhat do you guys think?.
are they only some uber religious zealots or do they pursue hidden agendas beyond religiosity?.
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I just don't understand this, what am I missing???
by Greybeard inas i am watching this video about changes at bethel, the speaker said, "aren't we glad the faithful and discrete slave continues to make adjustments when necessary.
what about this change?
"finally, we examined why jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings did not occur in 1919 but will take place during the great tribulation" that is from this online watchtower article last paragraph: https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20130715/jesus-prophecy-last-days/ .
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Really, what this all points to, is that the GB have absolutely no fu@#ing idea what they are talking about, preaching about, interpreting, and supposedly teaching.
That is the ONLY 100 percent TRUTH in all of this.
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Does the governing body know what they are doing?
by Gefangene inwhat do you guys think?.
are they only some uber religious zealots or do they pursue hidden agendas beyond religiosity?.
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@ - Fulano - I HAVE met a governing body member in person, and on MANY occasions. In fact he was the PRESIDENT of this man made/run organization.
His name was Brother Henschel. He on the outside for all intents and purposes, seemed and was a nice person.
However, let me explain how I, PERSONALLY, got to know this man. You see, when I was in the "truth", I was married to my young wife, who was "in", and so was her VERY RICH grandmother. I happen to have been born and raised in a borough of NYC, literally NEXT to Brooklyn. Mind you, 20 years ago, when this all occurred, the GB ws still very much living in Brooklyn Bethel, not upstate NY.
Well, my EX Grandmother in law, LOVED to throw her money around, and made sure EVERYONE in the WBT$ knew she was "from money". She also LOVED the "high society", and the "whos who", of the "truth". If she was a worldly person, with the same money, she would have surrounded herself with lawyers, judges, and poloticians, and maybe even famous persons, if she could have.
Being, though, that she was in the "truth", instead she used her money to surround herself with the WBT$'s "high society". She LOVED the elders, and especially LOVED the Brooklyn Bethel Elders in my old congregation. Especially the older husband and wife couple from Bethels writing dept. They would get "green handshakes", ALL the time. Those "green handshakes" led to MANY invitations to Bethel, and sitting at the "FINEST TABLES". Those that KNOW old scholl Brooklyn Bethel, know exactly what I mean.
Yes, she would be at the GB's tables, and it WAS GREEN HANDSHAKES for ALL. She didn't stop there, in fact she went right for the TOP. Once she met, the then President Henschel, she was in her glory. She would drop SOO MUCH money into his PERSONAL POCKET, it was RIDICULOUS.
Brother Henschel, LOVED her SO SO much, for some reason SHE was invited back, oh so many times. In my ex-Grandmother in laws mind, it wa her fast track into being "judged" righteous into the new system, and in the PRESIDENT OF JEHOVAHS ORGANIZATION, it was EASY MONEY.
She LITERALLY would call him "HER ANGEL", and not ONCE did he say, "oh stop I am just a humble servant", OR " no no I am not worthy of titles", NOPE he took it all in, both mentally and monetarily. Their "relationship" was so odd and "financially intertwined", that brother Henschel, the President of the GB, went to my ex-wifes BRIDAL SHOWER. He was the ONLY MALE there, and sat there with a smug entitled look, all the while my ex-Grandmother in law calling him "her angel", and you better believe he got paid very well to be there.
I know all of this, and witnessed this PERSONALLY, as I was the groom, and son in-law, and at the time in "good standing" from a decent family in the "truth", and was therefore invited to these "outings" to Bethel too.
I sat at the TOP/HEAD tables. I met with and talked with these GB members on MANY occasions. NO, I did not know anything about them "behind the scenes", NO I cannot "read their hearts", but I saw with my OWN EYES, how they WERE WORSHIPPED, and how they acted when they were. I saw them LOVE someone, especially when there was a NICE GREEN HANDSHAKE involved. These were the ones who would be ALWAYS invited back, and my ex-Grandmother in law, was one of them.
Mind you, this was the OLDER group of GB's. Some, including myself, would say they were actually a BETTER group of GB's, and I SAW the BULLSHIT. I can ONLY IMAGINE whats up with this CURRENT group, who is building the "castles" upstate, and secure little "slice of paradise", on the backs of the masses that worship them.
They are NOT humble men. They are oppurtunists who happen to be on the TOP of the pyramid. Power corrupts, but absolute power, corrupts ABSOLUTELY. I saw this at the ages of 19 and 20 years old, when I watched the so called "humble" President of the society, take my ex Grandmother in-laws money, and "bathed' in her compliments and the "TITLES" given him, and he allowed that money to influence both her and his/their lives of "high society".
Remember, when the President of the society, and the top GB member goes to, and is the ONLY brother there, amongst cackling sisters, you better believe he got paid very nicely for it. I still have the video to prove it, lol, scumbags.
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Letter # 2 to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses
by WITNESS-FOR-WATCHTOWER-REFORM injust sent this letter off to the governing body.
i also sent a copy to the britain branch.
the governing body.
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Hey, EVERY bit helps, good luck with this. Although, honestly, I feel the WTBS will be too cowardly to respond. Either way, its still worth it to send it, and if we ALL did this, it WOULD send a statement to them.
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"Where Is Jehovah In All of This?" My Wife, July of '93
by TMS inthe title above is a question asked by my wife seemingly hundreds of times in 1993, the year our only child was disfellowshipped.
the entire story exceeds the reasonable limits of this forum and i have to suppress the urge to write it.
instead, i will give little snippets, what a certain elder said at this or that point, how jehovah's organization treated us, how we handled our gradual awakening to, yes, "the truth about the truth.
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@ TMS - I think many of us here, can relate to your story, and the unfairness, and hypocrisy that probably occurred at your sons JC.
I went thru it myself. I was DF'd by3 IDIOTS, that I thought were supposed to be "loving, concerned, shepards".
Well a true "shepherd" would NEVER allow a member of its flock to be thrown to the "wolves", so to speak. If Elders are disfellowshipping someone, they are literally and spiritually throwing them out of the congregation, and in turn, into the world.
How does this make ANY sense? Shepherd boys to this day, were and are, experts at slinging stones, as they would CONSTANTLY whip them at any predatory animals that encroached upon their flock.
Would any sane shepherd, instead throw one of its sheep to those same predatory animals, simply because that sheep started to stray a bit from the flock, or lose its way?
The way Elders act in their indiscriminate, and arbitrary ways of disfellowshipping, it makes them spiritual MURDERERS, not shepherds.
The Elders are the SS soldiers of the JW CULT. They are the henchmen of a man made, diseased "religion", that worships 7 human beings from Brooklyn. The elders are the most "fanatical" of this CULT, which in turn makes them the MOST mentally brain washed of the organization.
If you truly believe you are appointed by "holy spirit", and have the "power" to "judge" fellow human beings, literally believing you can read hearts, yet with no more credentials than a child playing MAKE BELEIVE, then I am sorry, but you are a sick, and twisted person, blinded by your own delusions of grandeur.
When I was DF'd, I was a 20 year old child. If I was the 40 year old man I am now, it would have gone a lot different, and with black eyes, and bloody noses for everyone.
But, you know what the best revenge is, it is living a good and productive life. Since the days of my DF ing, I have become a self made millionaire with a beautiful family, completely free of the CULT, and living a wonderful life.
My life has even become the "talk" of the elders that DF'd me. Since word has spread to many in my ex congregation of how prosperous and fulfilling my life has become, it literally prompted the elders to mention it on the platform. These elders thought my life was going to be a "worldly mess", and I would come crawling back to them, begging for mercy. Nope, quite the opposite, and the elders had to do "damage control", and mention that "although SOME who have been DF'd may appear to be doing well, they truly cant be, because Jah isn't blessing them".
Ha the jokes on them. They ARE stuck in the brain washing, men worshipping, life controlling CULT, and I am free of all man made bondage, never to be controlled again, and LOVING every minute of it.
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Beards - September 2016 Watchtower
by Listener inthe issue of whether beards are acceptable or not is addressed in the september 2016 watchtower - well sort of.
it is as clear as mud as to whether they are allowed in places like australia, usa and britain.. 17. what are some factors that may affect whether a brother wears a beard?17 what about the propriety of brothers wearing a beard?
the mosaic law required men to wear a beard.
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@ Rebel8 - Brilliant observation! Its so true that once you "mad lib" anything you want into the text about beards, it really puts things in "perspective".
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Beards - September 2016 Watchtower
by Listener inthe issue of whether beards are acceptable or not is addressed in the september 2016 watchtower - well sort of.
it is as clear as mud as to whether they are allowed in places like australia, usa and britain.. 17. what are some factors that may affect whether a brother wears a beard?17 what about the propriety of brothers wearing a beard?
the mosaic law required men to wear a beard.
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The scary thing about all this, is that I actually remember a few Elders wives who had beards.
Such hypocrites, with their double standards!
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Evidence for a Young Earth
by Perry infor additional information:.
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LOL
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Help needed: transgender people and other unclear topics
by TeaBiscuit infirst of all, i am not quite sure whether this is the right place to ask my questions.
if this is not really appropriate, please tell me in advance, but i really did not know who to turn to, so i thought why not ask the internet... now, i know many of you are apostates and i'm not really looking for "leave it all behind you" answers, but really for experiences, thoughts and ideas... as well as maybe some verses if you can think of any.. anyway, first things first.
since this is very anonymous and i'd like to keep it that way, i will not give you my name, but still, i think some background info might be helpful.
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Teabiscuit - I bet you are enjoying this, harmless but important, discussions here on this forum. Well, we are enjoying having you here, I bet you have made some friends here too.
Well the sad thing about the JW,s at IF you get baptized you CAN NEVER come back to this forum again. If you do, and get caught, you could very well be disfellowshiped simply for coming into this forum. How crazy, and sick is that? The scary thing, is its true.
Another thing to help "put things in perspective" about this organization, is a small example of how the average JW "thinks". I was born in, and raised, and I can recall many years ago, having a discussion with an Elders son, and he was someone who was and still is, considered to be a very "spiritual" person, well in the discussion we were talking about homosexual persons, and his exact words about them were, and I quote, " they(homosexuals) will in no way be in, or make it into, the new system, THEY ARE ALL GOING TO DIE ".
That sick,and horrible comment that stuck with me from the age of 10, was the start of my "waking up" from the reality of what this religion is REALLY about.
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Died Due To Refusing Blood Transfusion
by rrb2016 inwell, last monday my mother, a jehovah's witness since her baptism in 1968 died last week because she would not accept a blood transfusion.
she was 76 and had lung and skin cancer.
i know that the cancer would have gotten her anyway, but she was bleeding internally, and was told that she needs a blood transfusion, as her blood count went all the way down to 3.2 (should be 12-14.
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Wow, so sorry for this ordeal. I can only imagine how helpless it must feel, when literally watching someone you love, not accept medical treatment that could help them, all due to false doctrine and foolish interpretation of an archaic book.
This Cult is dangerous. This Cult cares NOTHING for its members. There is no love in the Cult, only hurt and pain.
Not to sound callous. especially since this loss is so fresh to you, but I almost wish you could SUE the WBT$. I wish you were able to sue the WTB$ for taking your poor mother away from you, too early. The WTB$'s own doctrine on blood has changed so dramatically over the past few years, that they ALMOST allow it, with all the blood "fractions" you CAN take, but they do not have the VIRTUE to come out and let members accept blood. They do this knowing full well that their own members LIVES could be saved.
This IS indeed criminal, and I wish they would soon be "taken to the bank", on their archaic, criminal, stance.
Truly sorry for your loss.