Posts by Dunedain

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December Study Watchtower - Preparing to Reveal a New Light?

by The Searcher in

the jw/wtbt's anti-scriptural & anti-christ teaching that "a person's own death wipes out their sins" (based on their lie that romans 6:7 is to be interpreted literally) appears to have had a little wedge inserted into it.

despite making numerous accurate references to the fact that 1st century christians had figuratively died to sin, the svengalis at the top of the brooklyn pyramid point-blank refuse to discuss/cite/quote romans 6:7 and its true meaning.

page 10, par.

Dunedain

@ Prologos - The JW's will say that Adam & Eve are not entitled to a resurrection, because they were "perfect". They sinned as perfect humans.

This is why Jesus ransom, "balances" it out because he was "perfect" and free of sin. Blah blah, blah, blah, blah. At least that's what you will here as a "canned" response from a JW.

Personally, I always had a problem with this "logic". A) Because Jesus was supposedly a spirit creature for billions of years before he came to earth. He was also, essentially second in command, and assisted in actually creating humans. B) Adam and Eve, when compared to the huge timeline, of spirit creatures being alive for billions of years before humans were created, makes them essentially "babies". They might of had adult bodies, but they were like children, when compared to the big picture, and their length of life.

So, really the "balance" of the perfect Jesus, for the "perfect" Adam and Eve, is NOT a fair comparison of "equality" of perfect humans. It never made sense to me.

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Did you ever feel like this?

by Mandrake in

i'm thinking in emigrating... i feel like i'm stuck here in chile, and going likely to canada (i have my aunt and cousins there, full citizens) is like a real option by now.... i feel like i'm stuck and that in a best scenario i will be starting at the bottom of the pit, with about 75.000 (usd) in university debt (from 3 different sources) that won't go away easy, broken family, unstable relations with my mother, i think that i've almost got over the jw issue, but the consequences on my life being a born in are severe.... this saturday will be my second appointment with the therapist, i'm trying to figure out how to put things in order by now, my due date is december, to make any decisions... i finished almost to 5th year of dentistry, roughly 2 years remained but couldn't handle the family struggle, suicide attempts, getting out the wt, 4 house moves in 3 years, my father not paying a nickel for the university... i supported my mother to my own detriment, she's coming out of borderline personality disorder and i think she's a lot better but im tired... .

...as i'm "almost" a dentist i work from time to time with some patients (friends, ex-univsity patients), i've done a lot of crowns, surgeries, fillings etc to earn some money at my brother in-law clinic)... but i got kicked out of university for failing to complete some clinical requirements because of lack of patients in the previous courses, i just hadn't the force to try harder... studying was clearly not a priority by then, and as i used to be a good student just didn't know all the rules about failing courses... well that is, i just wanted to vent a little....

Dunedain

Best advice I could give, at least concerning what you told us, and your current situation, is to finish your degree.

If you were at the beginning stages of earning the degree, and you didn't have all that debt, I would say screw it. However, since you are so far into it, and only need to finish the last stretch, the best thing you could do would be to get that degree.

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Paranormal Warning

by Cold Steel in

i've heard some weird stories coming from jws about the paranormal.

i know about the warnings about items that come from unbelievers -- those don't interest me as much.

what i am interested in are actual experiences in stories of the paranormal you've heard or experienced yourself.

Dunedain

I remember a "story" from an old JW family friend of my parents. She believed that she had a demonic experience. Or at least what happened, was credited to "demons".

What she said happened, was she came home at night to her apartment/home(I forget?), and all her furniture was turned upside down. The kitchen table, chairs, sofa, coffee table, dressers, all turned upside down. Some pieces of furniture were also stacked upside down, and on top of each other.

She claimed it was demons, and demons were in her house and did this, blah, blah, blah. So my Mother started really questioning her about it. Like why do say it was demons that did it? How did you know it was demons, and so on. Her answer was very emphatically, "that it WAS demons", and she even got a little angry that she was even being questioned. She continued to say, "plus I heard weird noises coming from the light bulb in the dining room".

Anyway, I do not know if demons did that or not, but I was listening in to this conversation. She didn't mention anything, like she saw a form, or felt a presence, and so on. It was blamed on demons, because she was "new in the truth", and just started studying. Satan and the demons, MUST have been trying to scare her away from the truth. This is why the demons targeted her.

I think it was all bullshit, at least concerning "demons". I don't deny that her furniture was upside down, and the light made "noises", but there could be a number of real world explanations, NOT demons. Maybe some teenagers got into the house and were screwing around. Maybe someone was playing a trick on her. Maybe they were gonna tell her after, and have a laugh, but because she really thought it was demons, and got scared, the person never fessed up to it, who knows?

The things that happened were physical, real world, things. Furniture being flipped, and moved, and a light making noise. Before she studied, she probably would have NEVER considered demons, but because she WAS studying, and learning for the first time about demons, this is where her mind went to first. SHE created the demon story as the ONLY explanation, and I am sure she still believes it today, because she is still a JW.

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Reason why you didn't have the Heavenly hope, Anointed..

by James Mixon in

when i found out what was in store for those with the heavenly hope, no thank you.

i love you jehovah.

but i also love the fruits here on earth.

Dunedain

Nevuela - I would be very careful at night, while sleeping alone, with your roommate in the next room. It would not surprise me, in the least, if you woke up one night and saw her standing at the end of your bed holding a butcher knife.

She sounds very wacky, and seems a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Sounds like she has an odd phobia, and warped perception of sex. Has a weird obsession with dead bodies.

However, the craziest thing, and what tells me she is REALLY off her rocker, is that she thinks she is anointed. That's some crazy shit right there. Sleep with one eye open, lol.

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Did the flood happen?

by BlackWolf in

so we were talking about noah for our family worship tonight and it ended with a little debate between me and my parents about how the flood was possible.

you know, where did the water come from, how did all the animals fit, etc.

of course it led nowhere and my parents came up with some strange theories like that there was "an expanse of water in the sky" and that's where all the water came from.

Dunedain

"Dry land is not a myth, I've seen it"

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Are GB accountable for deaths for changing policy ?

by Chook in

example blood factions, organ transplants.

suicide from disfellowshipping , breaking up family's with old oral sex policy.

Dunedain

I think specifically concerning the blood issue, and their essentially reversing decades of the NO blood rule, by now allowing fractions, there could be some legal ramifications. I only believe it would happen though, if many people got together, and worked together with lawyers. It would have to kinda be like a class action lawsuit type of thing.

If many folks who have lost loved ones, and the stories of the countless people who have been directly affected by the blood issue, came to the forefront, the WBTS could be in trouble. If it changed popular opinion, and gained public awareness, some lawyers would smell "blood" in the water. They may come in like sharks, and the WBTS could have quite a few "bites" taken out of them.

On the other issues, I don't feel they would ever gain traction in a legal sort of way.

That being said, the GB have a TREMENDOUS accountability for all their flip flopping on issues. It is a moral accountability, and their NEVER taking any responsibility, is where they have shown themselves to be morally guilty. They are blood guilty, and they shall be held accountable. Whether it is thru legal means, members exposing them, or a higher power, they will be accountable one day.

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Those formula prayers. I want to scream

by stillin in

when the co is visiting, i think i hear "thank you , jehovah, for this special week of activity" until i want to vomit.. also "jehovah, please remember those sick and afflicted.

we pray that they can make a recovery and be back with us.".

stale, canned, institutionalized garble.

Dunedain

Pete Zahut - Your story had me laughing, dude. I am just picturing everybody sitting there like dipshits, with their heads down, wondering "whats going on with Pete", lol. Funny shit.

Anyway, it really was kind of absurd that everyone would basically say the same thing in each prayer. It was essentially a shuffling around of sentences. This sentence in front of that one, and that one in front of this one, but always the same sentences.

Yet, these same brothers would condemn "false religion" because THEY would recite the same prayers. Well, what was the difference, none, that's what.

Funny story, I heard about a brother who when giving the concluding prayer, he blew the whistle on himself. The brother was committing fornication, and in his prayer he said, "and Jehovah please forgive us for our sins, and myself for the fornication I have committed". DOH, talk about putting your foot in your mouth, lol.

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"If the Earth were just a little bit further from or closer to the Sun, we would all freeze or burn"

by Island Man in

i'm sure we've all heard this argument by theists employing the fine-tuning argument.

are you aware, however, of exactly how much this "little bit" really is?

theists would have us think that the slightest change in the distance would have drastic implications for survivability.

Dunedain

@ Coded Logic - Is that true about the moons of Jupiter and Saturn, Europa, and the other one you mentioned, having vast oceans?

That is a very interesting fact. I don't believe I heard that before. I had thought they were frozen, but I am probably wrong, lol.

If you have a link, or anywhere you could direct, that has info on the moons having oceans, specifically, that would be awesome.

I appreciate it, thanks in advance.

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A Hard Lesson Learned

by Disassociated Lady 2 in

do you remember that my dad passed away last year and i was going back to the witnesses after 26 years?

i got reinstated after going there for 9 months.

in the 5 months since then i felt the men in the congregation didn't want me there.

Dunedain

"From the abundance of their hearts, the mouth speaks". Or in this case their actions speak volumes.

The ONLY witches here, are THEM, clearly on their witch hunt.

What fools, bathing in their own ignorance, wallowing in their own self deluded, pride, and arrogance. These foolish men, pride themselves, on using the self proclaimed title of "Shepherds". The truth of the matter is, they are WOLVES.

A TRUE shepherd, would fight tooth and nail, and with all their power, to keep their sheep safe. If the perils of the world were encroaching upon any in their flock, a TRUE shepherd would never in turn, THROW THEM OUT OF THE PROTECTION OF THE FLOCK, to be eaten.

Disassociated Lady, these men are fools. I am sorry for any pain they may have caused you, but not to make light of the situation, but they did you a FAVOR. You are "free" from these intolerable men, who think they have some power to judge fellow humans. They fear what they do not understand. They show no love. You admitted that love was shown from someone "worldy", not from these professed "Christians". This truly tells it all, doesn't it.

"You shall know my people by the love they show amongst themselves". Well it is clear who these people are. Their "fruits" are rotten, their roots are evil. Its time to cut down the tree.

Stay here Disassociated Lady, you will be loved here, not judged.

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Ideas to discreetly identify the awoken among us

by Truthexplorer in

jw
friends

ok. i know this has been brought up in the past, but i have often wondered who in our halls are awake (for those of us who attend).

there are some i would consider a 'maybe', but no way of ever really knowing.. so here is my idea.

i hope it doesn't sound too masonic,.

Dunedain

One of my family members is COMPLETELY awake. He knows, and sees that its all complete and utter BS.

He even has a very close friend in another congregation 20 minute away, who is an ELDER, and is COMPLETELY awake.

They meet once a week for breakfast, and or other outings, and discuss the current nonsense that is being pushed. His elder friend even gives him "dirt" on what craziness is going down in his congregation. Believe you me, some of it is indeed CRAZY, too.

My point is, that these are 2 men, one of them even being an Elder, that are in 2 different congregations, that a COMPLETELY awake. They are not kinda on the fence, or half and half, they KNOW whats up. That being said, from outside "perspectives" they are both "IN". so you never know who may be, or not be "awake".

I don't remember the details of how they both realized each other was "awake". I should find out, and post it here. Maybe it will be an example of a good way to find out if someone else is awake.