Posts by Dunedain

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In one sentence, can you pinpoint a single event that woke you up?

by Brian J in

my turning point: serving on a child abuse judicial case.

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Dunedain

Yeah, Brian J, can you give us some more info concerning the child abuse case, and how it helped you wake up?

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The John Cedars Channel on YouTube taken down after posting a critique of leaked videos for Regional (District) Convention

by oppostate in

the wt is at it again it seems.

playing dirty as it can, trying to silence dissenters.. the john cedars channel on youtube has been taken down after the posting of a video critique of regional (district) convention leaked videos.. sounds like something putin would do in russia.

you know what they say, birds of a feather fly together--what a murder of crows all of'em!.

Dunedain

@ John Davis - Is that true? The conventions are copyrighted? I am not disagreeing with you, or arguing, I really don't know.

I had figured since they are open, free of charge, and all can attend, that you could video the convention if you wanted. Then in turn if you wanted to post it on youtube, its your right, idk. Maybe I am wrong, I guess.

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Personal opinions spouted from the platform?

by purrpurr in

have you ever heard some brothers own ideas and opinions spouted from the platform?

perhaps off brand or crazy ones?

some that i've heard is:.

Dunedain

@ Stan livedeath - I agree Football is definitely a violent sport. I personally do not care much for it either. I just think that they, it was def not me as I was about 13 yrs old at the time, thought this visiting brother didn't have the right to say its wrong to watch it. I guess that instead it should be a "conscience" matter, they felt.

Personally, I don't know if I would compare it too actual gladiator events, though. Yes, it is violent, and rough, but nobody is fighting to the death, getting beheaded by swords, or being torn to pieces by wild animals, lol. It is definitely one of the rougher sports. Also, hockey is a rough one too, but Idk if I would go as far as to say its comparable to gladiatorial events. That's just my opinion though, as this is yours, no biggy, I respect ya if you feel that way.

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Personal opinions spouted from the platform?

by purrpurr in

have you ever heard some brothers own ideas and opinions spouted from the platform?

perhaps off brand or crazy ones?

some that i've heard is:.

Dunedain

I remember a visiting Sunday speaker saying that Football(American not Soccer) was bad. We as Christians shouldn't watch it, or play it. It was violent, like the gladiator events in ancient Rome.

Needless to say, the brothers were bugging out about that statement. After the meeting they were going up to their Elders saying, "That's not true, right". "He cant say that, right?" They were all nervous they were gonna loose their Sunday football, and they were scared, lol.

Plus, a lot of them, including myself, although I was younger, would play softball after the Sunday meetings during the summer, and FOOTBALL during the Fall and Winter. It was pretty big, with about 2 or 3 congs coordinating and meeting at the field. It was mostly harmless, and they got nervous they were gonna loose that too, cause of that speaker.

Lucky for them, they were told by THEIR elders it WAS cool, so they blew a sigh of relief. That being said, a year or two later, there were a few "rogue" games of football happening, and these brothers were playing full on tackle football, not the usual 2 hand touch games. Well those same brothers who "fought" for their football watching and playing, CONDEMNED those brothers that were playing the tackle games, and got them stopped by having the Elders "council" them not to play tackle. Funny how things work.

Another stupid comment from a brother on the stage, was, as some others mentioned too, that you shouldn't wear shirts or T shirts with writing on them. Really? Whats the problem with that? I remember a bunch of bros and sisters saying "All I own are T shirts with writing". Then they started comparing which shirts they had, and what they all said, lol. Nobody really gave it much thought, lol.

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Please Switch Off Your Critical Thinking

by pale.emperor in

i have an uneasy feeling inside that something is coming this year or the next.

perhaps a new big announcement that turns jwdom on it's head.. we've seen the statement in the watchtower november 15th, 2013 which said:.

watchtower november 15th, 2013 - page 20, paragraph 17.. .

Dunedain

I think, like others have said, its about trying to keep the R&F in "check". The GB are VERY worried. They know people are questioning things, murmuring, grumbling, and checking out both physically and mentally.

Its a way for them to "inject" a little shot of "wait maybe we should start listening again". Kinda like the bunker videos, and the like. Its not really saying anything, but it keeps the R&F "interested", and tuned in.

I really do think that the specifics are about the eventual merging of many congregations, and saying for the R&F to just "deal with it", don't question a thing. If you are inconvenienced, so what, we need the money we get from selling YOUR beloved Hall, who cares about your 40 mile drive.

I have seen this merging of congregations, firsthand. Its not even happening in rural areas. My old cong, which is in a borough of NYC, was merged BACK with the cong it split from over 30 years ago. 30 yrs ago the cong was bursting at the seems, fast forward to now and they had to merge them back together due to NOT having enough publishers in BOTH congs.

People were pissed and upset, and they barely had to drive much further. I can only imagine how people feel when they have to drive 40 miles or more. This is about keeping these people quiet and not complaining about whats to come.

At least, I really hope it is just this. Its very true that this can have MUCH more dire consequences. Forcing your R&F to just swallow whatever is said, and do whatever is asked no matter what, is scary. This is high mind control at its worst. Do what we say, no matter what, even if it makes no sense from a HUMAN standpoint, or else YOU are wrong, is fanaticism on a large scale.

What if the GB told the R&F to never talk to people that are "worldly" again. Or turn their backs on worldly people if they need help. Or what if the next step is to harm evil worldly people, as Christian warriors. Would that be something they should follow, even if it doesn't make sense from a HUMAN standpoint.

While its true, it most likely will NOT ever get to that, but the consequences could be very scary. Having complete control over others, especially when they don't have those same ones best interests at heart, can have dire consequences.

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Gun Nuts...

by silentbuddha in

anyone here into guns.

i know alot of the euros here hate the idea but i wonder if there are any other members who are collectors or who are into hunting, target shooti g etc.. no shame zone?.

Dunedain

I am not a "gun nut", but I do own a few guns. I have a sawed off, custom shotgun, strictly for home protection. One of my friends is an auto mechanic, and he has a "machine shop", in the back of his garage. He took a full sized shotgun, and cut it down to 18 inches for me. It still holds 4 shots. Only fired once on New years.

Then I got a smith n Wesson model 59 auto pistol, from the late 70's. Lastly, I have a semi-auto 22 rifle, with an internal 17 shot clip. These were both only fired like 2 to 3 times each to test. I don't take em to the range, or fire them. I have them, but hope I will never have to use them.

Lastly, I have 2 black powder, antique guns. One is a Colt Navy 1851, revolver. It shoots .36 caliber lead balls, and is a revolver. Looks like something out of an Old Cowboy Western movie. The second black powder gun I have is a colonial flintlock pistol. It is a replica, not an original. It also shoots lead balls, but is only 1 shot, and they are .44 caliber. This flintlock pistol looks like something George Washington shot during the Revolutionary War, or something a Pirate would use.

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

Dunedain

Listen, I am NO JW backer, but I seriously DOUBT these allegations, from BOTH videos.

I do believe that "behind the scenes" there are definitely shady things that have, and still are going on. Whether it be pedophile cover ups, shady business dealings, or Elders and higher ups, protecting their own.

That being said, I seriously doubt there was "channeling" of spirits and flat out demonic activity.

There are a few things from both videos that make me question whats been said. First off, I can PERSONALLY vouch that YES there indeed are many tunnels within the underground complexes of the Brooklyn Bethel buildings. They were very extensive, and were mostly used for transporting many items from pallets of food, to reams of paper, and so on. I have been in some of the tunnels, and some were huge enough to drive trucks thru, while others were smaller corridors and off shoots.

That being said, I doubt there was this crazy demonic rituals going on in any of them. First off, while the woman, Rayven, in the second video DID sound very credible and intelligent, she contradicted herself a bit. She said, NO woman were ever involved in the rituals, but then later said that the one GB members WIFE was there, and in ritualistic garb too, as she was said to be in robes and holding beads.

Next, the woman speaking seemed to MOSTLY focus on saying who was there. As if her purpose in telling the story was solely for the benefit of exposing Franz, and Henschel, and Schroeder, and all the other heavies at Bethel. If this story was true, why did she not mention ONCE what she wrote down, or what the demon said, what the purpose was, what the info was, NOTHING? She was naming every person she could think of, exposing their wrongdoing, yet she did not mention at all, what the Demons name was. Even the interviewer was vey biased, as he not once, asked ANYTHING specifically about the ritual, or more importantly what was being said, and channeled thru her. Seems like the "goal" of BOTH of them, was just to expose the Brooklyn boys for doing this bad thing.

Now, the first video, with the black dude, was also, very suspect. He was long winded, and said a lot of words, but it was a bunch of BS. First off, why would these "brothers and sisters" who had this "knowledge", simply give their important channeled writings in notebooks, to this dude, that they only met briefly a few times. He said that they claimed to have the TRUE secrets, and are literally communicating with angels, and writing it down, and the average person could not even understand how "deep" it was, yet they hand these "deep" writings right to this dude, and say "have fun" reading it. Then, on top of it, this guy admits he NEVER even read the notebooks, and just thru them up in his closet and forgot about them. That also, makes NO sense.

He said, that these brothers were allowed to do this at Bethel, and were encouraged to get this channeled info, and give the info to the GB, well then why were they doing it at a public Sunday meeting, and writing it a notebook, that THEY still kept. Wouldn't the GB have collected this "incredible, deep" angelic message, and stored it themselves? No, instead it was given to this dude in the video, after meeting them 2 times, and it was forgotten and never read, left in his closet.

I say BULLSHIT.

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The Great Pyramid of Gizeh: New Light!

by Ding in

the guardian has a story about a recent discovery regarding the great pyramid of gizeh.

it begins this way:.

"archaeologists have uncovered a mysterious enclosure hidden deep inside the great pyramid of giza, the oldest of the seven wonders of the ancient world.

Dunedain

That connecting chamber was simply a "duct" that allowed more CO2 to dissipate into the air, as the chemicals in the Great Pyramid combined and gave off excess gasses due to chemical reactions.

As the Fallen Angels, that ran the Great Pyramid, would pour their different elements into the internal chambers of the GP, the resulting by product was pure, unadulterated, electricity. It would then be focused, and released, traveling the massive Obelisks outside of the Pyramid, until it could be harnessed and used to power the Fallen Angels massive palaces of gold.

This way, when they invited their Nephilim children over for dinner, they didn't have to sit in the dark, while eating. Also, their human wives, taken from the daughters of men, could use the electric so they could see in the dark, which was very handy when putting eye make up on at night.

This art of painting their eyes was taught to them by one of the Fallen Angels, just read the Book of Enoch, and Book of Jubilees.

You see, that's what Russel did, and that's how he came up with a bunch of Looney ideas concerning the Pyramids.

By the way, all of the above is SARCASM , lol. It just sounded like something Russel would have said, and I wanted to share his "knowledge" with you all, lol.

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Witness Royalty and the last day at the "Towers"

by Lynnie in

my uber elder cousin and his wife got the "privilege" of having one last "toast" of wine at the rooftop garden at the towers in nyc since the jw's are vacating to warwick.

his oldest daughter and son in law are quite high up in the inner circle so they get invited to all the "inner circle" activities.

even though they aren't supposed to toast to anything it was pretty darn close.

Dunedain

@ - Fulano - If I recall correctly, I think it was Jaracz whos table I sat at once, when we were invited up one time. What I remember is, whoever it was at the head, did NOT talk at all, and he had a fake, younger looking wife sitting right next to him. One thing that stood out the most, and if it was Jaracz this will probably confirm it, is he ate like a hillbilly. He took his fork and scraped everything together into the middle of his plate. His meatloaf, his lima beans, and his mashed potatoes, were all mushed together into one big glob, piled up into the center of his plate. He THEN proceeded to spoon it all into his mouth, and did not eat a bite until it was all mushed together.

Needless to say, that's what I remembered most about that visit to Bethel, and sitting at the "head" table. It was how disgusting I thought it was that he mushed all his food together.

Does that sound like Jaracz to you? I don't remember who it was, but that's how he ate, lol.

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Witness Royalty and the last day at the "Towers"

by Lynnie in

my uber elder cousin and his wife got the "privilege" of having one last "toast" of wine at the rooftop garden at the towers in nyc since the jw's are vacating to warwick.

his oldest daughter and son in law are quite high up in the inner circle so they get invited to all the "inner circle" activities.

even though they aren't supposed to toast to anything it was pretty darn close.

Dunedain

@ - LongHairGal - You are absolutely correct. We are talking about over 20 yrs ago. I was in my very early 20s, and was gone not too long after all that hypocrisy was thrown in my face. I have been out for about 20 yrs now, and my how this Org has changed.

They bygone days, and flashing of money, is quite over, like you said. There has been a degeneration on EVERY level of the Borg, and its very much out of the decline phase, and fully into the decay phase, at this point. Its only getting worse, or better, depending on how you look at it, lol.

@ - Fulano & Pete Zahut - I knew Russ Kurzen as well. I did not know him incredibly well, as I was young when I met him. My Father had dealings with him on quite a few occasions, and I, in turn, met him thru that. He was kind of an ambassador of Bethel, and he would arrange certain visits for us.

One time he invited my Father, and of course myself, Mother, and sister down to sit at the "head" table. He was a short, little, energetic dude, with a cheery disposition, from what I remember. He DID seem like a very humble, sincere human being. I am a good judge of character, and I did NOT sense any "bad vibes" from him, even at that young age, and into my late teens.

I remember hearing from some Bethelites back then, that the running joke about Russ Kurzen, was "what did Russ Kurzen DO", lol. It was basically known that Russ just kinda hung around, and didn't do too much. He was like a figure head, always floating around, with no specific job assignment or purpose, lol. He was simply Russ Kurzen, you knew him, and you loved him.