Posts by Dunedain

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Has anyone thought of the spin that the "society" will put on bethel layoffs?

by Lied2NoMore in

first, how about a joke?.

what do you call someone who just turned apostate?.

im thinking sometime in the future the society will put a spin on what is happening similar to what has been done in the past.. they will say apostasy once again reared its ugly head in the organization and layoffs was the only way to "cleanse" the organization.. once disgruntled ones begin to use their voice, they will be forced to strike back with some spin to make all those who have the guts to complain look like they were the problem.. good theory huh?.

Dunedain

I cant see the GB blaming the lay-offs on apostasy. That would imply that if you were laid off, you must have been an apostate, and i just cant see them doing that specifically.

They are gonna spin it, just like they always do, WITH BS. You can already see the double tongued serpent rearing its head. When you cut members of the preaching work, and the literature used in said preaching work, for the supposed reason to further the preaching work. You are speaking with 2 tongues, and the truth is not in you. That is their "spin" right now. Now if many in the R&F start to, logically, question this explanation, especially as time progresses, then i could see them putting a new "spin" out there.

This remains to be seen, but i dont think they will blame apostates, but this org has become very kooky, and eerratic, these past few years, so we still cant put anything past them.

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Anybody have any "REAL" experiences of spirit/demon activity? I'll explain.

by runForever in

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i know there is a lot of people on here that will say it is pure make believe but i am interested if anybody has had any real concrete things happen such as something moving or something appearing in the mirror etc.. anything just post it up here even if it wasn't much.

please give a little context as to the situation..

Dunedain

One time, many years ago, i was watching the Shining with my sister. It was the first time either of us had seen it. There is a part in the movie when the story starts focusing on one of the rooms in the giant Hotel, i beleive it was "haunted", or something. Anyway, the camera starts eerily panning down the hallway of the Hotel, passing each door to each room, until finally stopping on the door of the room in question. Now in the movie, the camera starts panning up the door, and stopping to show the veiwer, the room number on the door. Exactly when the room number came into veiw, my sister and i looked at the digital cable box, and the time on the clock, was the same exact number of the room. Right now, i dont remember the exact room number, but for arguments sake, say the room number was 246, well the time on the digital clock was 2:46. My sister and i, were both like, HOLY SHIT, wtf.

Now in NO way, am i saying this was demons, or even anything remotely like that. I just wanted to share this story. Think about the huge coincidence, that my sister and i just happened to put the movie in the VCR, and press play, at the time, that when that exact seen showing the room number wound up coinciding with the exact time on the clock. Crazy, and wierd coincidence.

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The new changes is a clear indication that we are one step closer to the end...

by RobertT18 in

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that was today's topic over a group chat of my cong's young jbots.

apparently the rumors are circulating everywhere i go, even people from the spanish congs are talking about it.

what's really sad is that the majority of people are already seeing this as "clear" signs of the end coming.

Dunedain

Its funny how for YEARS around October the GB, drums up the big A warnings, and then in November they REALLY push the contributions. Like, different ways a "spiritual" person could give more. From leaving the org your pension, to conditional cash donations, to signing over your life savings on your death bed, and the WTS "lovingly" makes it so easy for them to do this, with contact numbers of legal depts that will help with handling their finances.

The ONLY, initial knee, jerk reaction for any who are in the R&F, will be that "ARMAGEDDONS COMING". The facts, for now, prove otherwise. If it was REALLY about the preaching work, then construction and printing, and special pioneers, and missionaries, would be getting increases and MORE favors, NOT getting ERASED.

In a cult, you can only put a positive spin on things that may seem negative. Thats the nature of mind control. The GB has been subtly, and even outrightly, conditioning the R&F, up to this point, to blindly accept this. The emphasis on OBEDIENCE, and that WHATEVER the GB says, even if it makes NO SENSE, was their way of mentally preparing the sheeple to swallow this whole.

The difference here, though, is that these really are big, fundamental changes, and what the GB is taking away, does not match with the reasons they say they are taking it away. As, time progresses, and the reality sets in, i think many are going to, at a minimum, start questioning WTF is going on here.

These are interesting times, my friends.

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Remember when you could wear casual clothes to the congregation book study?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

i would get home from work,eat dinner,shower and put on jeans,a shirt and gym shoes to the book study.

then,one day a letter was read where men would need to wear a suit and tie and the woman would have to wear dresses.

it was stated in a letter that the change was due to, '' giving a better witness to anyone who would watch us walking into our local congregation or a neighbor's house.''.

Dunedain

I dont ever remember that either. I was born in, in 1975, and my memories from, say 1980 and up, of going to the book studies were always wearing what you wore at the "regular" meetings in the KH. This was in America, NYC area, so i dont know if in other parts of the world or country it was different, but i didnt think so.

Lol, i do remember a study bringing her 8 year old son, to the book study, and he was in nothing but a T-shirt and underwear, lol. He had those tighty, whitey underwear briefs too, not boxers. I remember, i was like 9 or 10 myself, and in a shirt, tie, and dress pants, of course, and heres this kid only a year younger than me, in his underwear. I was like wtf, and i remember he wanted to play after the book study. Somehow, i dont think i wanted to play anything with him. I guess i liked my playmates with pants on, go figure.

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truth

by Sabin in

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i`ve been thinking, a thread was put up about a month ago asking the question " why me?

basically why some of us find out ttatt while others are so blinded, good, sincere people that we love.

well after some consideration i have come to the conclusion that 1) some are in the truth 2) others want truth.

Dunedain

@ Simon - Thats the problem, if you try to tell others, you are instantly branded "apostate". You, and probably many others here, had sincere intentions to perhaps share legitimate information, or findings, but if it goes against the GB, sorry you are apostate, and you are booted. Its horendous behavior for an organization that claims to nurture truth, but destroy you as a person for perhaps finding more truth.

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It's easy to gloat about WTS problems ...

by Simon in

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.. and fun too !

:d. what?

were you expecting a "but"?

Dunedain

@ Konceptual99 - I think you are probably right about there not going to be a "waterfall" of defectors at this time, but i do think that MANY things are in motion. Its going to be a domino effect. Starting off slowly, and small, but gradually gaining momentum. As some will voice their disapointment, it will inspire more and more to speak up.

The organization appears to be very sick. Its "air" of unloving decisions, falsly hiding their history, their use of smoke and mirrors, and cover-ups, has finally contaminated their soil. Their roots are withering. Their branches are dying, and breaking. Their fruit is rotten, and unapealling to the touch, and taste.

The "heavy winds", of lawsuits, and poor financial decisions, are threatening their stability. The tree is rocking, and shaking, in this wind. It cannot stand against it for much longer. Not when the soil is loose, and unhealthy, and its roots cannot anchor firmly. The wind will break it, and it will collapse with a mighty, thunderous, report.

The sickness is spreading. It is starting to grow, and grow. it will spread from disgruntled, thrown away, special pioneer, to laid off bethelite, to beaten down parents of disfellowshiped children, to the "poorer" ones with no privileges, to the ones who dont believe the lies anymore, to the ones who have questions but no answers, and it will happen from the top of the tree, down to its roots. Welcome to the ROT!

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Can the special pioneers, bethelites, and many other "servants", who are getting their benefits stripped, SUE THE WTBS?

by Dunedain in

i know in america, corporations, and businesses, are many times obligated to atleast continue certain medical benefits for an extended period of time, like a year or two, even after they are "let go".

i wonder how many older, special pioneers, missionarys, bethelites, and such, have pre-existing medical conditions, and need to have to continue their benefits for care?.

the wts, can send a letter saying " sorry your shits gone in 3 months", but is this really legal?

Dunedain

@ Simon - Whats in it for them?

With all due respect, Simon, lawyers take frivilous cases all the time in America. Usually the simple word, PUBLICITY, is the reason. Before Mcdonalds served hot coffee to someone, and it spilled on them, i bet nobody would have thought that a lawyer would have taken the case to sue them, but they DID, and WON.

There are "kooks" in every aspect of society, poloticians, lawyers, WTS, and all types, can have all reasons for pursuing something for their own motives.

While, i completely agree, that these persons volunteered, thats not my point. The point here is, that an AMERICAN corporation, is cutting THOUSANDS of peoples MEDICAL BENEFITS, in 3 months time. IS this legal, yes or no. I honestly dont know, but i do know, that in America, there are laws in place to protect people with PRE-EXISTING medical conditions from losing their benefits WITHOUT enough time and care being allowed.

I GUARANTEE THE WTS IS VIOLATING THIS LAW!!!!!!!!

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Can the special pioneers, bethelites, and many other "servants", who are getting their benefits stripped, SUE THE WTBS?

by Dunedain in

i know in america, corporations, and businesses, are many times obligated to atleast continue certain medical benefits for an extended period of time, like a year or two, even after they are "let go".

i wonder how many older, special pioneers, missionarys, bethelites, and such, have pre-existing medical conditions, and need to have to continue their benefits for care?.

the wts, can send a letter saying " sorry your shits gone in 3 months", but is this really legal?

Dunedain

You may be right, but lack of contract does not mean lack of following the law. You are probably right about the RF, bobble heads, and the yadda yadda about reproach on Jah, BUT what if these are LEGITIMATE human rights violations.

Perhaps, if certain higher ups, like lawyers, or politicians, were simply brought up to speed, THEY would be obligated to prosecute the WTS.

Can you imagine the headlines, "The WTS CORPORATION, violating their own members human rights".

Remember, this is, in reality, a CORPORATION, slashing peoples medical benefits, AT A WHIM.

This could very well be a violation of somes human rights.

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This Video Makes A Lot More Sense Today With Whats Going Down Today

by freemindfade in

with today's events the message and tone of this video makes a lot more sense.

thus the defeated, failing, delivery.. http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201509_1_video.

it had a purpose.

Dunedain

That was one of the most ridiculous 7 minutes, i just sat thru. This is a GB member, crazy. He is actually saying how being DOGMATIC, which is saying something and expecting blind obedience, is WRONG, and then is giving a modern day example about how we should blindly obey the FDS, no matter what. WHAT????

This is, mind numbingly, insulting any person with even half a brain.

I cant beleive i just saw a GB member saying, that they arent and shouldnt be dogmatic, but he did it WITH DOGMATISM. And, the purpose of the 7 minutes was to emphasize, basically, blind obedience.

@ Sabin - That is a very valid point, and a great observation, about how his eyes were constantly looking to the right. I noticed the same thing, too. He looked very uncomfortable, but more importantly, all his manerisms were that he was being deceitful, and not beleiving his own words.

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Can the special pioneers, bethelites, and many other "servants", who are getting their benefits stripped, SUE THE WTBS?

by Dunedain in

i know in america, corporations, and businesses, are many times obligated to atleast continue certain medical benefits for an extended period of time, like a year or two, even after they are "let go".

i wonder how many older, special pioneers, missionarys, bethelites, and such, have pre-existing medical conditions, and need to have to continue their benefits for care?.

the wts, can send a letter saying " sorry your shits gone in 3 months", but is this really legal?

Dunedain

I know in America, corporations, and businesses, are many times obligated to atleast continue certain medical benefits for an extended period of time, like a year or two, even after they are "let go".

I wonder how many older, special pioneers, missionarys, bethelites, and such, have pre-existing medical conditions, and need to have to continue their benefits for care?

The WTS, can send a letter saying " sorry your shits gone in 3 months", but is this really legal?

I really hope that there may be some kind of protection, and or recourse, for these people who have given up almost everything, and now are being thrown to the "wolves".

What a, and perhaps not even thought of by the WTS, huge financial backlash this could cause for them.

The WTS/GB, are so stupid in their decision making, that they may not have even thought of the legality of this. Again, just figuring that the sheeple would just nod their heads, and take it up the you know what.

Well, maybe we should find out if this is EVEN LEGAL, and put the WORD out there for these ones whos very lives may hang in the balance. Imagine the crippling effect this could have on the WTS, if it backfired on them, by some disilusioned about being "thrown away", took legal action.

I wonder if some lawyers heard about, what this CORPORATION, is doing, if maybe they would want to GET INVOLVED.

Yes, it may be true, that these pioneers and such, chose this path perhaps blindly, but still on a HUMAN and LOVING level, maybe we could help them.