Posts by Dunedain

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Pagan Origins

by Illuminated in

why are jw's not allowed to do certain things because they have "pagan origins", yet the very same roof over their head and the the food they place into their mouth is purchased through money with pagan origins on it?

pagan symbolism is all over money.

so if the wt leaders are so against paganism, why are they insisting "jehovah's" earthly organization needs pagan money to sustain itself, yet disfellowshipping members if they cross the line into paganism?.

Dunedain

Besides it being another way for them to use something for control, and create the illusion of "us and them", it also probably has financial reasons to "paganize" holidays specifically. If the members of your org are not spending countless dollars on Christmas, Birthdays, Halloween, and all the yearly holdidays with their commercial value, then this money can be given to the borg.

Its quite brilliant, if ya think about it. Tell the sheeple, " do not celebrate, and dont give your money over to paganism, but hand it over to US". Forget about using it to give your children a happy childhood. No, the children dont need that, the WTS needs your money, instead. So, in answer to the OP's question, the reason they pick and choose, is probably BECAUSE of the very money itself.

The most hypocrytical aspect of the WTS, and paganism, is also the very fact that the WTS's roots themselves ARE pagan. We see the watchtower symbol as their main symbol, yet, as brought up earlier, that symbol itself has tremendous pagan origins. The massonic symbols, that were plastered all over the original literature, are all pagan in origin. From the cross and crown, to the watchtower itself, all pagan.

Its again, just another example of them picking and choosing based on convenience and neccessity.

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My experience with a Judicial Committee, when in my early 20's

by Dunedain in

i joined this wonderful site, only a few weeks ago, although i have been away from the borg, for almost 20 years.

i didnt introduce myself, on a personal level, but i jumped right in, commenting, making threads, and just immersing myself in this community.

what a time, indeed, to be here, its almost as if i was "called" here, because the week i lurked, and joined, was when all this recent stuff came out.

Dunedain

It really is/was such a power trip for some of these men. Yes, there are always, the "kind, older" Elders, and the "fair" ones, but usually they do NOT have the "power". They are typically bullied themselves, in a subtle way, and in turn the power hungry ones dominate.

In my case, the judicial committee that was put together for me, was with 3 heavy duty, hard asses. I mean, i was actually yelled at by these men. I was told that whatever i am going thru, I deserve, due to my past actions, and that my "fate" is in Jehovahs hands, and basically i am in for a life of heartache if i stay DF'd, which is what THEY did to me.

The beauty about this all, and i still must come back to it, is that they did me a favor. I was out now, and FREE, and at an age where i still had my whole life ahead of me.

I wound up becoming very successful in business. I have a beautiful family, and children now, and lead a wonderful, financially comfortable, life.

Word of my "success" had actually gotten back to the PO elder, who was the "main" one on my judicial committee. I actually attended a meeting many years later, and he was giving a part and specifically said something concerning me. He actually had the audacity to say, as i was sitting there, "although we may hear that certain ones who have been disfellowshipped, are leading a successful life, it only makes sense, since they were raised in the truth, and learned valuable qualities that helped them become successful". It was ridiculous, he was actually addressing me. Meanwhile, what a hypocrite, he said i was going to lead a miserable life "away" from them, but quite the opposite was true. I have FLOURISHED away from these evil men.

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My experience with a Judicial Committee, when in my early 20's

by Dunedain in

i joined this wonderful site, only a few weeks ago, although i have been away from the borg, for almost 20 years.

i didnt introduce myself, on a personal level, but i jumped right in, commenting, making threads, and just immersing myself in this community.

what a time, indeed, to be here, its almost as if i was "called" here, because the week i lurked, and joined, was when all this recent stuff came out.

Dunedain

I joined this wonderful site, only a few weeks ago, although i have been away from the BORG, for almost 20 years. I didnt introduce myself, on a personal level, but i jumped right in, commenting, making threads, and just immersing myself in this community. What a time, indeed, to be here, its almost as if i was "called" here, because the week i lurked, and joined, was when ALL this recent stuff came out. From the meeting change, to the stopping of some construction, to the lay-offs, and all the BS. Adding all these recent changes, to the changes in "generation", what they are doing with blood fractions, and of course the child abuse issues, and it just truly shows that 'SOMETHING" is going on in the borg, and its not good. The loss of spirit, if it was even ever there, is quite evident.

Anyway, being that i kinda "jumped" right in, and didnt really introduce myself, i wanted to at least give a personal experience today, in this thread. I do not want to reveal too much about myself personally, for many reasons, but i do want to tell about a specific judicial commitee that i was bullied in, and how i was treated.

There are SO MANY stories, and things i can say, and i am sure that over time i will share many of it. I know that many have had the same, or similiar situations, when dealing with men, and Elders who have NO business judging other humans, yet they do so, and quite unlovingly. I am going to keep it short and to the point.

I had "sinned" when i was in my teens, for "normal" things. Pre-marital sex, smoking pot, those kind of experimental things that a semi-normal teenager, sometimes does. The problem was, i was baptised, and a JW. I was baptized at an early age, i think around 13 or 14, as we all know you are pressured to do when in the borg. Looking back, i can honestly and truly say, i did NOT know what it really meant to dedicate your LIFE to something.

Fast forward to a few years later, and i had STOPPED those things, and was living a "changed" life back in the "truth". I did NOT confess what i had done, but simply relied on my personal relationship with Jah, and in my actions, and knowing what i had done, and was doing now were big differences, and was better. I even felt my relationship with Jah was good, and i was having prayers answered, and all that good BS. I married a sister in the KH, things were looking good.

Then my "mistakes" came out, and the Elders found out about the things i had done. I was in my VERY early 20's, at this point, so i had a few years of living a "changed" life, which to me should show repentance, by my very actions, NOT just words. However, this was NOT good enough for the Elders. They told me, via judicial committee, that i should have confessed/told them everything, when i should have done that, and because i didnt, it means i wasnt truly sorry. I told them i knew i did wrong, and made the correct changes, but i wasnt prepared to "open" myself up, and it was hard for me, but in time maybe i would have.

I stressed that i LOVED Jehovah, i LOVED the org. I did NOT want to leave or be DF'D. I was truly sorry, and that i NEEDED the brothers, and support of the congregation, especially since because of all this my young marriage was breaking up(that is another story, and quite a crazy one, but better left for another time), and i needed to be here in the congregation.

Well, it all fell on deaf ears. I was LITERALLY yelled at, and told i should NOT be asking to stay and help, but begging for forgiveness, and that i DESERVE to be PUNISHED! Jehovah could NOT have been answering ANY of my prayers and that he IS VERY disapointed in me. This was all done WITHOUT love, but with anger. The PO Elder, who i knew my whole life, had the audacity to BLAME ME for all the "problems" in the congregation. That because i "hid" my sins, then Jehovahs spirit was not fully with the congregation. Mind you, the congregation WAS in trouble, there were MANY divisions, and issues. But it had nothing to do with my 21 year old self, and the PROOF is that AFTER i was DF'd and gone, the issues became WORSE. The Elder body was split up, and 4 Elders went to different congregations, due to disagreements, and other things, and people were dropping like flies. Continuing on, i begged them for mercy and told them i was truly repentant, and one of the Elders said, "well even Judas was repentant after he commited his sin". This asshole actually compared me to JUDAS, the murderer of Jesus. Of couse, the final result was i was DF'd.

Looking back it was the BEST thing, it led to me being away from the cult. I was so stumbled and treated so horribly by these men, that i eventually stopped trying to get re-instated. I was just a 21 year old person. I was bullied by these men. I am now 40 years old, and if these men would have tried anything like this to the man i am today, it would have beena totally different story, and probably with a few bloody noses.

I just wanted to give this small example, and share what happened to me. I have so many more stories too, and even this one has more, but all in due time. I wanted to tell this true story, to serve as a reminder of the borgs hypocrasy. These Elders took NO responsibility for their OWN actions, and maybe it being the reason their congregation was failing. NO, instaed they wanted to blame ME. Well, it starts from the top down, and they will be judged, as they have judged. These Elders, threw me to the "wolves". not lovingly sheparding, but instead, unlovingly JUDGING. Shame on them.

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If Jehovah's Witnesses were a cereal, what would they be?

by Zoos in

cult flakes?.

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(welcome to the height of intellectual thread topics.

Dunedain

TOTAL, bullshit.

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Call For Children To Get Baptised From CO

by freemindfade in

so i've been pretty good at not going to meetings lately.

yesterday i went for the co's last talks.

older co. his last talk was absolutely shocking.

Dunedain

Jesus gave the example for EVERYTHING, including baptism, which as otheres here have said, he was 30 years old. Baptising CHILDREN into this cult, can be a death certificate. They can give their few little BULLSHIT examples, of this one who was baptised at 6 yrs old, and that one baptised at 8 yrs old, but we know the reality to be much, much different.

Being that JW's HAVE the WORST retention rate, of members, and from certain CO's own words, "the children are leaving in droves", obviouslly, their policy of baptising younger and younger IS NOT WORKING. The reality is that children are being baptised in thru the front door, and DF'd out the back door. If this wasn't such a detrimental process, to human beings, by them losing friends, family, support groups, then it wouldnt matter. The fact is, however, that it DOES matter.

These are peoples LIVES, being played with, and they are mind screwing children. Hiltler himself, knew the "value" of getting them when they are young, cause then you OWN them for life. He instituted the Hitler youth programs, strictly for the recruitment of the young, and hence to CONTROL them.

The WTS, is acting just like Hitler during WW2, in their recruiting of the children for control. In this day and age, a person in their EARLY 20's, doesnt even know who they are, or what they want to do with their lives. How can the WTS expect an 11 year old, 12 year old, or even a 16 to 17 year old, to TRULY KNOW what a dedication of their LIFE is to anything, let alone an invisible spirit presence. Its a joke, but its NOT funny, because peoples lives are RUINED because of it. It shows just how out of touch the ORG is with how life is today, and the world we live in.

If the grown men, running this org, beleive that even a teenager, let alone an 11 or 12 year old, knows what they are doing with a dedication to a God, then they are so far out of touch, its criminal.

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Intersting Visit from our local JWs yesturday

by little_Socrates in

jw
friends

way to early on a saturday morning we got a ring on our doorbell.

someone else answered the door.

after they left i walked by our entry way and gagged from the smell!

Dunedain

WOW, this stinks!!!

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Super JW Cart

by M*A*S*H in

i have a confession to make.

a strange urge is building in my brain... each time i see a jw literature cart on the street it builds.

it is becoming a stronger and stronger thought in my mind.

Dunedain

Lol, what if we ALL, make a concerted effort to, whenever we see a cart to -

(a) Stumble into it, completely wrecking it, knocking everything to the floor, then get up, brush ourselves off, and say " I AM GOING TO SUE YOUR ASSES, HOW DARE YOU PUT THIS IN MY WAY".

or

(b) Walk by the cart, "tripping" on the carts corner, falling flat on your face, and screaming "I AM GOING TO SUE YOU, THIS CONTRAPTION HERE, HAS TRIPPED ME".

or

(c) Whenever the cart has a magazine, with a "SCARY" armageddon, destruction type picture on its cover, you run over to the Witnesses, manning the carts and scream, " I AM GOING TO SUE YOU, YOUR PICTURE OVER HERE, HAS GIVEN MY CHILD NIGHTMARES, AND HE/SHE CAN NO LONGER SLEEP AT NIGHT ", then point to any child walking by in the area, like thats the poor child in question, or bringing your own child works better.

*Please Note*- There can be all different variations of the above. Such as falling into the carts with hot coffee, to "spill" all over the literature. You can wear pre ripped clothing and walki into the cart, claiming the cart "ripped " your clothing, again, sueing is the only option. Fake blood, and severed body parts, can help for desired "effect", too. If the cart is in a less crowded area, perhaps driving your car, directly into the cart, would be your best option. Again, falling out of the car and screaming, that you will sue, is the only option. Using a car you planned on "junking" anyway, IS preferable, please do not use the wifes, family car, for this, (they dont like that).

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Oh the humanities...my wicked neighbor!

by username in

i have been given a piece of birthday cake as it was his birthday yesterday!

will i be a human hot dog now?.....

this just got me thinking of all the stupidities of the watchtower teachings, someone very kindly offers you something as innocent as a slice of chocolate cake but we were supposed to turn it down because that peace of chocolate cake now had horns poking out the top of the chocolate frosting.

Dunedain

I think the true purpose the WTS, doesnt want people to be celebrating Birthdays, and holidays, is so they are not spending money on these occasions. Yes there is also the thought of not wanting them to enjoy things and be distracted, so they can continue to control the R&F, but the main reason comes down to MONEY.

Lets face it, if the members are not spending on Christmas, and Halloween, and Birthdays, and Easter baskets, and all the commercial aspects of these holidays, then its more money for the contribution box. Dont give it to your innocent children give it to us "chosen", old men in NY. We deserve it more, and thats what God wants.

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The sound of a train...

by LevelThePlayingField in

jw
friends

i remember hearing the sounds of the train horn blowing on january 1st 2015 and remembering, "another year and no armagedon".

and i was so disappointed.

i hated to hear that train whistle blow.

Dunedain

Armageddon outta here, run.

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Who Are Your Past Circuit Overseers? It's a small world..

by mentallyfree31 in

who were your past circuit overseers?

i'm sure a lot of us actually know mutual people, as the co's relocate all over the country.. here's a few from the southeast us: (let me know if you recognize any names and post yours too please...).

ellwood johnson (new york/philadelphia area for several years also).

Dunedain

I remember a brother Conti, from many years ago, probably over 30. Northeast, tri-state area. He was a monster. I can actually remember pioneer sisters, saying "i am scared of him". I was like 10 years old, and those comments still stay with me 30 years later, lol.

I remember when Conti was visiting for the week, and it was the Thursday night service meeting. he was up on the stage giving his talk, and there was a brother walking around, in the back of the hall. Mind you, this brother was a ministerial servant, and was DOING STUFF, for the meeting. Like either the sound, or getting some wires ready for the next part. In the CO's mind, HE SHOULD NOT BE DOING THIS, so i remember Bro Conti, stopping his talk, mid-talk, and saying, " I AM GOING TO WAIT TO CONTINUE, UNTIL THIS BROTHER SITS DOWN", and very loudly. The brother, who was involved, intensively with getting the equipment ready, in the back, is not even realising whats going on. So then Conti, literally, starts shaking the change in his pocket, louDER and LOUDER, until its at an absurd point. Now remember this is up on the stage, essentially stopping the meeting, dead in its tracks, to try and FORCE this brother, thru shame, to sit down, but mind you, the brother was doing his job, to get everything ready for the next part. It was ridiculous.

During this week that Conti was there, i happened to have the "luck" of working with him out in service. I was like 9 or 10 years old, my Dad was an Elder, so it was my "privilege" to work with him. Well at one door, Conti read the householder a scripture, and then asked him a question about the scripture, and the householder answered the question wrong. Conti then proceeded to tell the householder, "no you are wrong, see you arent even paying attention, Gods kingdom will be on EARTH, as it is in heaven".

What a psycho, you go to someones house, on a Saturday, wake them up, bother them, and instead of them kicking you off their stairs, they listen to your Bullshit, AND then you berate them for not knowing/answering your bullshit questions right. Looking back, its actually sick behavior.