Posts by Dunedain

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They shall learn war no more

by Dunedain in

this is just a thought i had, earlier today, and wanted to share it.

its funny how, one of the biggest things concerning jw's, is their claim of "true christianity", based on that they do not "go to war".

it is, certainly true, that yes they do not go to war, and i do not think that any of us here, would neccesarilly say that this is a bad thing.

This is just a thought i had, earlier today, and wanted to share it. Its funny how, one of the BIGGEST things concerning JW's, is their claim of "true christianity", based on that they do not "GO TO WAR". It is, certainly true, that yes they do not go to war, and i do not think that any of us here, would neccesarilly say that this is a bad thing. Maybe, it is cowardly, or easy to not go to war, and i truly believe Jesus would have NEVER gone to war, and maybe its even a "cop out" to not go to war, but it IS a decent value.

HOWEVER, the WTS may not go to war, and pick up a gun for a nation, but they will, and do, go to war everyday. They war against families, with their brutal tactics of shunning and disfellowshipping. They war against children, and their safety from an abusive organization. They war against their own members who are maybe effeminate in their speech, or masculine in their walk. They war against their own members, who question a doctrine, or bring up a point of debate. They war against young adults, who may be on the "fence", and might need MORE encouragement, but might be seen as "spiritualy week", so are ostrasized and shunned. They war against their own members personal relationship with the creator of the universe, by JUDGING if you are spiritual or not, by the clothes you wear, or the haircut you have, or the pitch of your voice.

They WAR against the very teachings of Jesus. They WAR against his example of LOVE. They WAR against those who seek to find him, and have a personal relationship with him, unless it is thru THEIR manmade rules. They WAR against truth, by publishing lies, by using "smoke and mirrors", and mis-quoting publications, just to deceive their own members. They WAR against the bible, by adding to it, and misquoting it, and making false prophesies, with false predictions.

Yes, its true the WTS, may not go to war, by picking up a gun against an unnamed face, that is in a land far away. No they are responsible for a much harsher war against the people right in front of them. Against the people who trust them the most. Against the people they are supposed to shepards, own spirituality. Their war has a body count in the millions, against peoples very lives, spiritually, and literally from the deaths of the innocents by no blood, no vaccines. They are at war with their own flock, berating them, punishing them, and torturing their very minds and souls, with their ruthless, brutal, unloving practices, and all in the name of God.

They know MUCH war, and their casulties are great indeed.

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GB "OUR KINGS"

by wannaexit in

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i was at the one day assembly and the bethel speaker in talking about governing body member klein -referred to him as our king.

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wonder if governing body members will be so presumptuous to expect this title from the rank and file?.

Dunedain

Our KING, i thought Jesus Christ was "our KING". If that statement is true, and nowadays i hardly doubt anything these men say anymore, then talk about worshiping MEN over God. Kings, thruout history, have always been bowed to, and worshipped, but we are never to do this to any men, or man.

@ - Wannaexit - Did you, by any chance, get a recording of that talk, or video of it? I would LOVE to see that, it would be such "damning" evidence, and if i played that for my father, it would make him "think", about that one.

So i guess he is "King Klein". He should be known as "Kingdom King Klein", or KKK, lol.

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No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

by wizzstick in

in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

)- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

wow.

Dunedain

Among the wonderful, and unique, variety found within human beings, there are many different traits, and characteristics. Some women are soft spoken, and "dainty". Some women are outspoken, and not afraid to get dirty. You can have a woman who is perfectly capable of changing a tire, or turning a wrench. Another woman might love her painted nails, and well manicured clothing. Among men, you can have someone who hates bugs, and germs, and hates getting dirty. You may have a man who, just plain doesnt care about his clothing, or some dirt under his nails. Or a guy who wears perfectly tailored suits, without a crease in them.

Some woman may "carry" themselves like a "tomboy". Maybe there is a female who "walks" a certain way, or is heavy on her feet. Maybe a dude who has a high pitched voice, or a certain mannersim that can come off a certain way, and he doesnt even realise it.

Everybody is different, and unique, in their own way. Mannerisms, come thru from a person, based on where they were raised, or how they "carry" themselves is natural to them. Clothing can "fit" each person DIFFERENTLY, because of each of us's own body type. The SAME EXACT outfit can look "tight" on one person, and lose on the person right next to them. More importantly, all of these characteristics, mannerisms, and variety of "types", DO NOT, neccessarily, dictate ones SEXUALITY, or preferance sexually.

How can these "rules" even be enforced? Who are the "judges" of what is tight? Or what is "manly"? Or what is "feminine"? How short of a haircut, is TOO short? What "style" of hair dictates if its TOO masculine, instead of feminine? There are no clearly defined parameters. . . . . . . . . . .

YET, the outcome, and PUNISHMENT, can be LIFE THREATENING!! We can easily joke, and dismiss, the preaching work, saying that it would almost be a "favor" not having to do it, BUT, according to WTS own doctrine, the preaching work is paramount to being a chosen true christian, and it means everything to the followers of this cult. To take that away from someone, based on arbitrary, undefined, tightness os PANTS, or LENGTH of hair, IS CRAZY!!!!!!!

This is just giving the WTS's enforcer class, the elders, more power to institute their own agenda. They will harm people with this. They will ostrasize youths with this. They will push some out, causing more inner turmoil, and confusion, in young ones whos lives are so fragile to begin with, and instead need nurturing, not bullying.

The abusers, continue to ABUSE the flock. They brow beat, and berrate the sheep. Whipping and hitting the innocents, with fear, and hate, and an unloving concern. The more the GB pushes the will of old, mentally diseased men, who are out of touch with the teachings of Jesus, the more they will decrease their numbers, and push away their members. The childrens very lives are being crushed in their false prophetic hands. They are serpents with 2 tongues.

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Geoffrey Jackson wanting to speak to Jesus

by notsurewheretogo in

i'm still amazed he said this when he was questioned by the rc in austraila.... if anyone is in any doubt that the gb are "full on in" then that statement he made just proves these gb guys are 100% captive to the concept that they are chosen by god to be guardians of the galaxy er i mean doctrine.

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these guys actual think, 100%, they are anointed and chosen by god to run his physical organisation on earth and that they will indeed co-rule in heaven with jc...geoffrey wants to chat to jc about the inadequate child abuse policies that the wt have since jc actually runs the show from heaven.. the gb are not master criminals or intelligent people who know how to dupe people or trick them, they fully believe 100% the bull they preach.. mental..

Dunedain

@ Data-dog - Lol, yeah i bet you are right, they probably do have handlers. I can picture each GB member having an effeminate, tight pants wearing, bow tie sporting, skinny dude, as an "assistant". They let them know, "how wonderful" their talk was, and that they looked " soooo cute on jw.org today". Oh Mr. Jackson, let me shine that pinky ring for you, and "fix that pocket scarf". A little powder on your nose, and you are all set my little angel.

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Geoffrey Jackson wanting to speak to Jesus

by notsurewheretogo in

i'm still amazed he said this when he was questioned by the rc in austraila.... if anyone is in any doubt that the gb are "full on in" then that statement he made just proves these gb guys are 100% captive to the concept that they are chosen by god to be guardians of the galaxy er i mean doctrine.

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these guys actual think, 100%, they are anointed and chosen by god to run his physical organisation on earth and that they will indeed co-rule in heaven with jc...geoffrey wants to chat to jc about the inadequate child abuse policies that the wt have since jc actually runs the show from heaven.. the gb are not master criminals or intelligent people who know how to dupe people or trick them, they fully believe 100% the bull they preach.. mental..

Dunedain

They are mentally diseased humans. They, literally, hear voices in their heads. What i dont understand, is if they truly are "anointed", then by definition they have a connection to Jehovah, and Jesus, and ARE in contact with them. They are, supposedly, the direct channel from God and Jesus. They have BEEN touting for years that God and Jesus "talks" to them. So, why does Jackson, WISH he could talk to Jesus, i thought he already was.

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Maybe, its a group of regular old men. Who are dilusional, self imposed, egotistical, maniacs. They think the voices in their heads, are God "anointing" them, and speaking to them. So, its either, they beleive this, and in turn they clearly have mental issues, or they dont beleive this, and then they are truly evil men, in it for only money, and power. Either way, this org is SICK, from the top on down to the bottom.

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Great Evening....

by Lee Elder in

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...with dick and helen kelly.

got to meet joe and barbara anderson and their friend joy on their whirlwind u.s. tour.

wonderful conversation and opportunity to reminisce about our wts experiences and our plans for the future.

Dunedain

Pardon my ignorance, and i mean no disrespect, but can anyone, please, fill me in as to who these persons are, and what their work is, thanks so much.

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Who would you like to hear of leaving the Jehovah's Witnesses ?

by wozza in

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i'll start off with this one:.

some years ago when i was formulating my exit, i employed for some time an ms brother from another congregation.. i'd had a couple of young "worldly" lads work for me but they proved unreliable as they used drugs or alchohol and consequently would'nt arrive at work and such like.. so when i was was contacted by this brother and spoke to him and heard he'd worked at the australian bethel for some time on construction and wanted an opportunity to learn the trade of bricklaying ,i thought ,"great someone to finally trust and be reliable".

he was in his 40's at the time and he worked like a trojan ,was honest ,really likeable and interesting ,could play the classical guitar beautifully ,had a beautiful family.

Dunedain

I wish Jehovah would leave the cult. Oh wait, i think he did.

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Jan 2016 study WT attempt to keep control of professed anointed ones, brainwashing in action!

by EndofMysteries in

a really great example of wt pulling doctrine out of their heiney that nowhere exists in the scriptures!

when i started waking up to ttatt, i remember in my own reading the tons of scriptures that speak of god, the holy spirit, etc teaching directly.

tons of scriptures that go against the wt doctrine of only able to learn through them.

Dunedain

The "voices" in my head, are teling me that i am "special", but ONLY us. Anything else that anybody else, hears, or feels, is not real. Its just real when I hear it. What mentally diseased humans, these men are. It is absolutely sick, and on many levels.

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Is the end of Watchtowers hated No Blood doctrine in sight?

by nicolaou in

i won't pretend to know things that i don't but just look at the incredible rate of change we've witnessed recently.

it seems that since candace conti and the australian royal commission the watchtower are scrabbling around to shore up their finances in the face of unprecedented legal action against them.. abuse settlement claims are one thing but what happens when children die as a result of your religious teachings?!

you can bet wt legal are arguing for a complete rewrite of policy to protect the organisation from litigation.. do you think their religious privilege will protect them forever?

Dunedain

Yep, they can, and may, do all the above, and it could maybe make the WTS come out squeaky clean. What a "great and wonderful" act this would be. Praise Jehovah, that his organization, would then be squeaky clean, at the expense of childrens lives, newborn babies chances to live, and the unbearable suffering of the parents, who sacrificed their children upon the alter of the WTS. YaaaY, for the squeaky clean image of the WTS, built upon the bones of dead children.

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Is the end of Watchtowers hated No Blood doctrine in sight?

by nicolaou in

i won't pretend to know things that i don't but just look at the incredible rate of change we've witnessed recently.

it seems that since candace conti and the australian royal commission the watchtower are scrabbling around to shore up their finances in the face of unprecedented legal action against them.. abuse settlement claims are one thing but what happens when children die as a result of your religious teachings?!

you can bet wt legal are arguing for a complete rewrite of policy to protect the organisation from litigation.. do you think their religious privilege will protect them forever?

Dunedain

If, they ever decided to essentially, completely do away with the "blood issue", the WTS would have so much blood guilt, it would not be funny. If they just stopped it now, then they would be opening themselves up, morally, and legally, to all the familys who HAVE lost loved ones over the years, due to not accepting blood. The backlash, would be unprecedented, of ex-JW's, and current Jw's, who lost children to this hardlined doctrine, for it then to be done away with. Can you imagine, the legal ramifications.

Make no mistakes, the LEGAL ramifications, is the only reason that it is still in effect, but only mildly, compared to how it used to be. The BS, that the WTS is putting out concerning blood, where you CAN use this fraction, or that fraction, this part , but not that part, its all BULLSHIT. None of it is scriptural, whether concerning the fractions, or even the issue of blood itself. Even in the bible, it is DIETARY, and it was ONLY about maybe stumbling your fellow brother, then it would maybe be wise to abstain, but NOT in a case of a perons very life itself depending on it.

The fact that the WTS, has essentially, done away with it, by not being hardlined anymore, or taking fractions is OK, or knowing that the courts may intervene, anyway, is APPALING. People have died over this. People have lost their children over this. I would almost, have more respect for them, if they still stuck to their guns, and continued it to be NO BLOOD, but the fact that they are now white washing it, and sweeping it under the rug, but still COWARDLY, not fully coming out and saying its OK now, is WRONG.

The WTS is NO longer giving out any up to date blood cards. They have all but made it allowable to take almost every part of blood, that its practically allowed now, but they still wont come out and say its OK. This is appalling, as some may STILL die from this no blood policy, not even realising that the GB's stance has softened. This is so wrong on their part, and justice should, and will be served soon. Those deaths of children and others, is on the GB and WTS. The BLOOD is on their heads, and they will be judged for it, mark my words, its coming.