Posts by Dunedain

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Personal opinions spouted from the platform?

by purrpurr in

have you ever heard some brothers own ideas and opinions spouted from the platform?

perhaps off brand or crazy ones?

some that i've heard is:.

Dunedain

I remember a visiting Sunday speaker saying that Football(American not Soccer) was bad. We as Christians shouldn't watch it, or play it. It was violent, like the gladiator events in ancient Rome.

Needless to say, the brothers were bugging out about that statement. After the meeting they were going up to their Elders saying, "That's not true, right". "He cant say that, right?" They were all nervous they were gonna loose their Sunday football, and they were scared, lol.

Plus, a lot of them, including myself, although I was younger, would play softball after the Sunday meetings during the summer, and FOOTBALL during the Fall and Winter. It was pretty big, with about 2 or 3 congs coordinating and meeting at the field. It was mostly harmless, and they got nervous they were gonna loose that too, cause of that speaker.

Lucky for them, they were told by THEIR elders it WAS cool, so they blew a sigh of relief. That being said, a year or two later, there were a few "rogue" games of football happening, and these brothers were playing full on tackle football, not the usual 2 hand touch games. Well those same brothers who "fought" for their football watching and playing, CONDEMNED those brothers that were playing the tackle games, and got them stopped by having the Elders "council" them not to play tackle. Funny how things work.

Another stupid comment from a brother on the stage, was, as some others mentioned too, that you shouldn't wear shirts or T shirts with writing on them. Really? Whats the problem with that? I remember a bunch of bros and sisters saying "All I own are T shirts with writing". Then they started comparing which shirts they had, and what they all said, lol. Nobody really gave it much thought, lol.

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Please Switch Off Your Critical Thinking

by pale.emperor in

i have an uneasy feeling inside that something is coming this year or the next.

perhaps a new big announcement that turns jwdom on it's head.. we've seen the statement in the watchtower november 15th, 2013 which said:.

watchtower november 15th, 2013 - page 20, paragraph 17.. .

Dunedain

I think, like others have said, its about trying to keep the R&F in "check". The GB are VERY worried. They know people are questioning things, murmuring, grumbling, and checking out both physically and mentally.

Its a way for them to "inject" a little shot of "wait maybe we should start listening again". Kinda like the bunker videos, and the like. Its not really saying anything, but it keeps the R&F "interested", and tuned in.

I really do think that the specifics are about the eventual merging of many congregations, and saying for the R&F to just "deal with it", don't question a thing. If you are inconvenienced, so what, we need the money we get from selling YOUR beloved Hall, who cares about your 40 mile drive.

I have seen this merging of congregations, firsthand. Its not even happening in rural areas. My old cong, which is in a borough of NYC, was merged BACK with the cong it split from over 30 years ago. 30 yrs ago the cong was bursting at the seems, fast forward to now and they had to merge them back together due to NOT having enough publishers in BOTH congs.

People were pissed and upset, and they barely had to drive much further. I can only imagine how people feel when they have to drive 40 miles or more. This is about keeping these people quiet and not complaining about whats to come.

At least, I really hope it is just this. Its very true that this can have MUCH more dire consequences. Forcing your R&F to just swallow whatever is said, and do whatever is asked no matter what, is scary. This is high mind control at its worst. Do what we say, no matter what, even if it makes no sense from a HUMAN standpoint, or else YOU are wrong, is fanaticism on a large scale.

What if the GB told the R&F to never talk to people that are "worldly" again. Or turn their backs on worldly people if they need help. Or what if the next step is to harm evil worldly people, as Christian warriors. Would that be something they should follow, even if it doesn't make sense from a HUMAN standpoint.

While its true, it most likely will NOT ever get to that, but the consequences could be very scary. Having complete control over others, especially when they don't have those same ones best interests at heart, can have dire consequences.

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Gun Nuts...

by silentbuddha in

anyone here into guns.

i know alot of the euros here hate the idea but i wonder if there are any other members who are collectors or who are into hunting, target shooti g etc.. no shame zone?.

Dunedain

I am not a "gun nut", but I do own a few guns. I have a sawed off, custom shotgun, strictly for home protection. One of my friends is an auto mechanic, and he has a "machine shop", in the back of his garage. He took a full sized shotgun, and cut it down to 18 inches for me. It still holds 4 shots. Only fired once on New years.

Then I got a smith n Wesson model 59 auto pistol, from the late 70's. Lastly, I have a semi-auto 22 rifle, with an internal 17 shot clip. These were both only fired like 2 to 3 times each to test. I don't take em to the range, or fire them. I have them, but hope I will never have to use them.

Lastly, I have 2 black powder, antique guns. One is a Colt Navy 1851, revolver. It shoots .36 caliber lead balls, and is a revolver. Looks like something out of an Old Cowboy Western movie. The second black powder gun I have is a colonial flintlock pistol. It is a replica, not an original. It also shoots lead balls, but is only 1 shot, and they are .44 caliber. This flintlock pistol looks like something George Washington shot during the Revolutionary War, or something a Pirate would use.

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

Dunedain

Listen, I am NO JW backer, but I seriously DOUBT these allegations, from BOTH videos.

I do believe that "behind the scenes" there are definitely shady things that have, and still are going on. Whether it be pedophile cover ups, shady business dealings, or Elders and higher ups, protecting their own.

That being said, I seriously doubt there was "channeling" of spirits and flat out demonic activity.

There are a few things from both videos that make me question whats been said. First off, I can PERSONALLY vouch that YES there indeed are many tunnels within the underground complexes of the Brooklyn Bethel buildings. They were very extensive, and were mostly used for transporting many items from pallets of food, to reams of paper, and so on. I have been in some of the tunnels, and some were huge enough to drive trucks thru, while others were smaller corridors and off shoots.

That being said, I doubt there was this crazy demonic rituals going on in any of them. First off, while the woman, Rayven, in the second video DID sound very credible and intelligent, she contradicted herself a bit. She said, NO woman were ever involved in the rituals, but then later said that the one GB members WIFE was there, and in ritualistic garb too, as she was said to be in robes and holding beads.

Next, the woman speaking seemed to MOSTLY focus on saying who was there. As if her purpose in telling the story was solely for the benefit of exposing Franz, and Henschel, and Schroeder, and all the other heavies at Bethel. If this story was true, why did she not mention ONCE what she wrote down, or what the demon said, what the purpose was, what the info was, NOTHING? She was naming every person she could think of, exposing their wrongdoing, yet she did not mention at all, what the Demons name was. Even the interviewer was vey biased, as he not once, asked ANYTHING specifically about the ritual, or more importantly what was being said, and channeled thru her. Seems like the "goal" of BOTH of them, was just to expose the Brooklyn boys for doing this bad thing.

Now, the first video, with the black dude, was also, very suspect. He was long winded, and said a lot of words, but it was a bunch of BS. First off, why would these "brothers and sisters" who had this "knowledge", simply give their important channeled writings in notebooks, to this dude, that they only met briefly a few times. He said that they claimed to have the TRUE secrets, and are literally communicating with angels, and writing it down, and the average person could not even understand how "deep" it was, yet they hand these "deep" writings right to this dude, and say "have fun" reading it. Then, on top of it, this guy admits he NEVER even read the notebooks, and just thru them up in his closet and forgot about them. That also, makes NO sense.

He said, that these brothers were allowed to do this at Bethel, and were encouraged to get this channeled info, and give the info to the GB, well then why were they doing it at a public Sunday meeting, and writing it a notebook, that THEY still kept. Wouldn't the GB have collected this "incredible, deep" angelic message, and stored it themselves? No, instead it was given to this dude in the video, after meeting them 2 times, and it was forgotten and never read, left in his closet.

I say BULLSHIT.

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The Great Pyramid of Gizeh: New Light!

by Ding in

the guardian has a story about a recent discovery regarding the great pyramid of gizeh.

it begins this way:.

"archaeologists have uncovered a mysterious enclosure hidden deep inside the great pyramid of giza, the oldest of the seven wonders of the ancient world.

Dunedain

That connecting chamber was simply a "duct" that allowed more CO2 to dissipate into the air, as the chemicals in the Great Pyramid combined and gave off excess gasses due to chemical reactions.

As the Fallen Angels, that ran the Great Pyramid, would pour their different elements into the internal chambers of the GP, the resulting by product was pure, unadulterated, electricity. It would then be focused, and released, traveling the massive Obelisks outside of the Pyramid, until it could be harnessed and used to power the Fallen Angels massive palaces of gold.

This way, when they invited their Nephilim children over for dinner, they didn't have to sit in the dark, while eating. Also, their human wives, taken from the daughters of men, could use the electric so they could see in the dark, which was very handy when putting eye make up on at night.

This art of painting their eyes was taught to them by one of the Fallen Angels, just read the Book of Enoch, and Book of Jubilees.

You see, that's what Russel did, and that's how he came up with a bunch of Looney ideas concerning the Pyramids.

By the way, all of the above is SARCASM , lol. It just sounded like something Russel would have said, and I wanted to share his "knowledge" with you all, lol.

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Witness Royalty and the last day at the "Towers"

by Lynnie in

my uber elder cousin and his wife got the "privilege" of having one last "toast" of wine at the rooftop garden at the towers in nyc since the jw's are vacating to warwick.

his oldest daughter and son in law are quite high up in the inner circle so they get invited to all the "inner circle" activities.

even though they aren't supposed to toast to anything it was pretty darn close.

Dunedain

@ - Fulano - If I recall correctly, I think it was Jaracz whos table I sat at once, when we were invited up one time. What I remember is, whoever it was at the head, did NOT talk at all, and he had a fake, younger looking wife sitting right next to him. One thing that stood out the most, and if it was Jaracz this will probably confirm it, is he ate like a hillbilly. He took his fork and scraped everything together into the middle of his plate. His meatloaf, his lima beans, and his mashed potatoes, were all mushed together into one big glob, piled up into the center of his plate. He THEN proceeded to spoon it all into his mouth, and did not eat a bite until it was all mushed together.

Needless to say, that's what I remembered most about that visit to Bethel, and sitting at the "head" table. It was how disgusting I thought it was that he mushed all his food together.

Does that sound like Jaracz to you? I don't remember who it was, but that's how he ate, lol.

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Witness Royalty and the last day at the "Towers"

by Lynnie in

my uber elder cousin and his wife got the "privilege" of having one last "toast" of wine at the rooftop garden at the towers in nyc since the jw's are vacating to warwick.

his oldest daughter and son in law are quite high up in the inner circle so they get invited to all the "inner circle" activities.

even though they aren't supposed to toast to anything it was pretty darn close.

Dunedain

@ - LongHairGal - You are absolutely correct. We are talking about over 20 yrs ago. I was in my very early 20s, and was gone not too long after all that hypocrisy was thrown in my face. I have been out for about 20 yrs now, and my how this Org has changed.

They bygone days, and flashing of money, is quite over, like you said. There has been a degeneration on EVERY level of the Borg, and its very much out of the decline phase, and fully into the decay phase, at this point. Its only getting worse, or better, depending on how you look at it, lol.

@ - Fulano & Pete Zahut - I knew Russ Kurzen as well. I did not know him incredibly well, as I was young when I met him. My Father had dealings with him on quite a few occasions, and I, in turn, met him thru that. He was kind of an ambassador of Bethel, and he would arrange certain visits for us.

One time he invited my Father, and of course myself, Mother, and sister down to sit at the "head" table. He was a short, little, energetic dude, with a cheery disposition, from what I remember. He DID seem like a very humble, sincere human being. I am a good judge of character, and I did NOT sense any "bad vibes" from him, even at that young age, and into my late teens.

I remember hearing from some Bethelites back then, that the running joke about Russ Kurzen, was "what did Russ Kurzen DO", lol. It was basically known that Russ just kinda hung around, and didn't do too much. He was like a figure head, always floating around, with no specific job assignment or purpose, lol. He was simply Russ Kurzen, you knew him, and you loved him.

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Alternative witnessing

by Zyron in

jw
friends

those of us still attending meeting are actively encouraged to use out tablets or smartphones to direct people to jw.org.

how about, after doing the standard presentation casually say to householder, you can also look at this forum to read of experiences of life as a jw as well as the official version?.

obviously you need to be working by yourself or with a pimo jw..

Dunedain

@ Scratchme1010 - That's a really cool experience you mentioned here. I think its awesome that you met, and still have a great friend, this way. It must have been VERY therapeutic for you, and him, to finally talk FREELY, and have a REAL honest discussion.

I can see how that experience could bond two people in friendship. In fact, I had a similar experience, and friendship. It really goes to show that having a "by the book" JW study with someone, is NOT an honest, and real discussion. Instead, its a fake, contrived parroting of words, with NO real substance. Once you and your friend realized you were FINALLY having a REAL discussion for the first time, it must have bonded you guys for life, AWESOME.

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Grieving Parents Denounce JW Faith (Blood)

by darkspilver in

sad situation for the parents.child death blamed on religious beliefs.

zimbabwe, the sunday mail, sunday, october 29, 2017. a jehovah’s witness lost her baby during childbirth because she and her husband followed church teachings and turned down blood transfusions that could have averted the tragedy.. getrude seneri (28) said she experienced labour complications on september 20, 2017 and doctors said blood transfusions were necessary to save both her and her child.. the couple stuck with their religious beliefs resulting in the child dying and her husband, misheck bande, stepped in to authorise transfusions for her when he was told that his wife’s life was also on the brink.. now, the couple have denounced the church for its teachings on blood transfusions.. opening up to the sunday mail society last week, seneri and bande spoke of how they were initially willing to risk their lives for their religious beliefs – but had changed their minds after the loss of their child.. jehovah’s witnesses are not alone when it comes to rejecting blood transfusions.. prince marezva, an elder of the johane masowe apostolic sect said they were totally against blood transfusions and organ transplants.. zimbabwe national traditional healers association president george kandiero said transfusions were shunned because people feared taking in bad spirits from the donor’s lineage.. another religious group that does not condone blood transfusions is the church of christ, scientist (aka christian science).. read full article: http://www.sundaymail.co.zw/child-death-blamed-on-religious-beliefs/.

related discussion: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5981654168371200/wonder-if-their-any-parents-theses-children-on-here-now-may-22-1994.

Dunedain

These Uber fanatical JW Elders that are on the HLC might as well be wearing black executioner masks when they do their "job".

They are the assassin's of this Death Cult. They are the frontline troops who murder the innocent. Showing up at one of the most emotional, and trying times of someones life, just to try and persuade them to get, or give, inferior medical care to their own loved ones, takes a special kind of EVIL.

They could be likened to the fanatical SS soldiers of Hitlers regime. They might as well be rounding up, and throwing the R&F into spiritual concentration camps, but where the end result is death by lack of blood.

The few members I personally knew, who were on the HLC, had NO children of their own, and the one who did, disowned his own daughter, never meeting his own Grandchildren because of it. That should say it all, right there.

I do wonder how some of these HLC Elders would act if their own children were about to die from lack of blood. Scumbags.

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Witness Royalty and the last day at the "Towers"

by Lynnie in

my uber elder cousin and his wife got the "privilege" of having one last "toast" of wine at the rooftop garden at the towers in nyc since the jw's are vacating to warwick.

his oldest daughter and son in law are quite high up in the inner circle so they get invited to all the "inner circle" activities.

even though they aren't supposed to toast to anything it was pretty darn close.

Dunedain

Indeed, I can personally attest to seeing firsthand the "Witness royalty", the "inner circles", and smugness that can and does come with it.

I was born and raised into one of the more, if not most, financially "well off" congregations in NYC. 20 minutes outside of Brooklyn Bethel. There were many Bethelites that were sent off, and distributed to the many congregations within the 5 boroughs of NYC. The "higher ups" would fight and die to try to get the "privilege" of being assigned to my old congregation.

They knew they were going to get nice "green" handshakes, and flourished with gifts, and such. The ex prez, and GB member, Henschel was actually at my, now ex wifes, bridal shower. My wealthy, ex MIL would stuff his, and other GBs pockets so much, that they would keep sniffing around for more and more.

I seen firsthand the Elders, and their wives, that had money, and who they thought they were. How they snobbed around, and cliqued together. I sat at the Head tables at Bethel, and saw how whatever, crusty old GB member that was present for that days morning worship, was OOOHHH and AAAAHHH to death. He would have his younger, by sometimes decades, wife sitting next to him, like a perfect little princess, as he spooned all his food up into a giant glob of mush.

The jokes on all of them, though. They are rulers of an empire of dirt. Of fake smiles, and faked emotions. Rulers of the superficial, and keepers of phony subjects. Most of the more wealthier elders, and their families, from my old congregation, are burnt out now, and many even left the Borg. The congregation, which at one time, was bursting at the seams with people, has now been combined with 2 other congregations, due to lack of publishers.

The crusty old, hacks at Bethel, have mostly died, and withered away, penniless and forgotten. These "elite inner circles" change, and fade, and then new ones take their place, but its all the same old phonies. All pretending they have the answers, and hold the keys, but they are polishing the brass on a sinking ship, and trust me, they go home miserable, most nights.