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  Governing Body Just got Spanked

  by Bill Covert in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  yesterday in watchtower documents there was published "flawed decrees conceal criminals.

  barbara anderson examined the rnwt revision of lev.5:1 and revealed the wtb&ts to be deceptive as to applying it to congregation members being required to "tattle" on their brothers to expose sin.

  she shows that is just not so as lev.5:1 has nothing to do with tattling.

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  Dunedain

  Ummm what ?

  I was lost at "spanked".
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  Can You Make Sense Of Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as a child growing up, i would see different arguments to defend a certain belief.

  it may have required mental gymnastics in order to make a point but there was an actual attempt to explain, teach, and educate....even if the belief or teaching was bogus.. nowadays, it appears that jws couldn’t explain any belief.

  they are drones and do as “mother “ has directed..

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  Dunedain

  I was a born in, and henceforth indoctrinated from infancy by the cult. My Father, once a dutiful elder and full blown Kool aid drinker, is a very educated and deeper than most thinker.

  I think thats what drew him to the "truth" back in the 70s. This was the Fred Franz "oracle" days. These were the days of congregations bursting at the seams, and splitting into 2 or even 3 halls. These were the days of quick builds, and expansion into hundreds of countries. The building of branches all around the world.

  The preaching work truly appeared to be the fulfillment of scripture. The reasoning book was chock full of information designed to shut down any heavy hitting born again, or even the very clergy of other religions. My father even went so far as to have a personally customized bible with the Reasoning book bound together as one.

  There truly was an "air" of deep thinking, and scholarly discussions. The religion not only appealed to those with half a brain, but even to those who were firing on all cylinders.

  Fast forward to today, and it is truly shadow of its former glory. Not only can the average JW not defend its "doctrine", but even the top elders will have a very hard time defending things. From the overlapping generation NONSENSE, to the screeching halt of the preaching work, expansion, growth, there is nothing to defend.

  It is a watered down, mockery of its former self. The GB putting on their JW.org shows, only adds to the fact that these men are MORONS without a full brain cell between the 7 of them. They cant teach, they cant defend it, they cant hold it together anymore. They are the CEOs of a sinking ship.

  Needless to say, my Father who was drawn to this religion BECAUSE of its "deepness", is still proving that he IS the smartest man in the room, as where the religion is NOW, has made him checkout. Most would have just continued going and not be true and honest to themselves. It takes a brave, and educated person to admit when things do not seem right anymore, and to not accept the lies any longer.

  My very smart Father refused to take it anymore, and has all but faded from the nonsense. Their deeper thinking brought him in, and their now lack of it, brought him out.
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  Noah`s day Flood ? ( again) Waters Covering Active Volcanoes ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know their have been many posts dedicated to this subject already and i apologize if this aspect has been handled before.. apart from the many other absurdities relating to the flood of noah`s day being literal as jehovah`s witnesses believe and already thrashed out here by the many posts previous.. i was wondering if this aspect has been considered that the waters would have had to cover over active volcanoes with what result ?.

  their are a number of" active and resting" volcanoes at any one time around the earth and i`m just wondering if anyone more knowledgeable than me about the subject would like to weigh in and give their 2 cents worth in what effect a global flood covering volcanoes would have ?.

  i am aware their are fissures in the deep oceans where volcanic activity occurs ,but is this the same ?.

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  Dunedain

  All the volcanoes being instantly covered with water caused so much steam, that the Ark become the first steamboat. Supposedly there were lots of casino games being run at this time, on the Ark, and Noahs sons wives would walk around in skimpy outfits, pushing free drinks on little trays.

  They animals were very big gamblers at this time, too. Nobody liked playing cards with these 2 certain cats, they were cheetahs, and always ruined the games.

  Ahh, those were the days of old. The great Volcanic, flood, steamboat Ark days of yonder. What a rich history we on Earth have.
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  Craziest Speculations You’ve heard about the end and paradise

  by Addison0998 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we’ve all heard them all our life.

  my two biggest stupidest ones i think are, “ we can really tell the end is almost here with the way people drive on the highway.” and a girl who said she wants to hurry up and marry her boyfriend because she’s scared if the end comes before their married, she’ll have to wait 1000 years to marry him.

  oh and also a poor old lady saying that she hopes jehovah wipes away the memory of her disfellowshipped sons that he will have to destroy.

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  Dunedain

  I remember an Elder saying that all these white and black kids walking around with headphones in their ears, and reciting rap lyrics, were being controlled by demons, and it truly shows that these are the last days.
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  Famous last words spoken by every jdub at one time or another

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "oh i'm not going to worry about it, armageddon will be here by then!".

  -including me.

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  Dunedain

  I used to work with a brother about 25 years ago. Every year he would say, " I cant see us making it past another year", and " If this system is still around". He would say it almost weekly, mind you i worked with him for many years, and saw him almost every day.

  Well, we parted ways about 20 years ago, but still have very minor business dealings here and there. I sat down with him about 2 years ago to go over a little business arrangement, and he still, after 20 something years, had the balls to say, " If we are still in this system by this time next year".

  I looked at him and said, " Really? you are STILL saying that". I then chuckled a bit, to make light of it, but i think i still got my point across.
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  Major Article in Today's Philadelphia Inquirer on JW Child Abuse

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.philly.com/philly/news/jehovahs-witnesses-sexual-abuse-children-beliefs-rules.html.

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  Dunedain

  I guess now that the WTBS has all but nearly halted the printing of their own Watchtower and Awake magazines, these kinds of articles are the REAL "stinging message" from the book of Revelations.

  The "scorpion tail" is snapping, and right dead center of the back of the Borgs head. These news reports are justice indeed.

  I am in the New York/New Jersey area of the U.S., and i remember about a year or so ago, the Home News Tribune, which is a very large newspaper in NJ, had a similar article, as well as advertisements for lawyers offices to help victims of child abuse, SPECIFICALLY for former JW's.

  The "message" is truly being preached lately, and the WTBS are on the wrong end of it.
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  Withdrawing community support in the congs

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've noticed in the past 10 years that the social support that used to be available in the congs, a shoulder to cry on, elders to help with family/marriage issues these seem to have been purposely withdrawn.

  counsel is even heard from the platform that the elders are not there to help people with their problems.. so first in the 80s-90s they take away the congregation get to getters and social events and now they seem to be going one step further in taking away the emotional support for people too.. this will take away an aspect that i'm sure was keeping alot of people in the borg, the community support.

  if that's not there and its just about meetings and ministry how many will start to get their emotional support elsewhere?.

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  Dunedain

  I also think that certain Elders visits, and them visiting possible "spiritually weak" ones, has been tremendously backfiring on the WTBS.

  The Borg may be trying to limit certain shepherding calls because over the past 25 years, with SO MANY people learning TTATT, these Elders instead of preaching to these ones, are getting preached to themselves.

  The internet and its wealth of damning information against the Society is inundating these Elders as they visit certain "weak" ones, and shepherding calls. These "company men" may never have been shown this info, except when they try to council certain ones.

  They used to every so often re-visit and try to sit with DF'd ones from their congregation. However, they put a stop to that too, because these elders were getting quite an earful from these "apostates". Many of their minds were blown, and the tables were turned on them. Like, "Oh, you wanna talk to me about things, Nope, let me tell YOU a few things guys".

  These visits, have been planting "seeds" and waking up quite a few elders over the years, and the Borg is SCARED.

  Hence, why the Elders "duties" have been quite limited lately. The GB are afraid of what the Elders may possibly hear, or learn on these visits, and from talking to certain ones.
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  KH hall 4 sale just whose waters are supposed to be drying up again?!

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  avon lake ohio.

  while new mega church being built right down the street!.

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  Dunedain

  We should have a dedicated thread, in where each of us can list the area, or areas that we personally know what Halls have sold, are for sale, and which ones have been consolidated.

  I am sure there are enough of us on this board to represent most states, and cities in America, and Canada and England. Any other countries would just be gravy. Then by everyone contributing what they know about the Hall sale/merging in their areas, we would have a nice "chart" to be able to see the decline.

  I for one, can say that the Hall i grew up in, in one of the boroughs of NYC, i might add, has indeed merged with another Hall. This happened about a year ago. Go back 35 years ago, and the Hall was bursting at the seams, so much so that the congregation SPLIT into 2 FULL congregations.

  NOW, fast forward 35 years later and those 2 same congregations have merged BACK together to form 1 Hall. Its attendance of both congregations recombined again, now equals LESS than what 1 of the 2 Halls was after they split all those years ago.

  The fact that these 2 congregations, in a VERY populated city as NYC, where the populations are INCREASING, had to merge back into 1 congregation is very telling. There used to be 2 full, of 12 brothers EACH, Elders bodies. Now after BOTH congs merging, the dont even make up barely a full Elders body. Its a joke. The attendance is VERY down, and they are dropping like flies.

  Again, we should all list what we know of our areas, and former areas, and maybe make a chart, and REALLY see what Halls are selling and being disbanded, and i guarantee it will be VERY telling indeed.
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  Beard update

  by Coded Logic in

  1. social
  2. physical

  so it's been over a month since i decided to grow a beard.

  the mustache and chin have come in fuller than i ever imagined - while the cheeks leave me wondering if i'll ever grow enough hair to make it not look so wildly unkept and patchy (if anyone has any advice here it'd be much appreciated).

  but in the mean time i'll give it another month and see how it goes.. .

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  Dunedain

  OOOOOHHHH, thats WORLDLY!!!! LOL, seriously though, it looks fine. Goatee may be the way to go too.
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  Can anyone name a single incident when bethel has fed the poor ever ?

  by Chook in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  charity is lacking from the house of god.

  i remember reading once about some young pioneer sisters who needed emergency accommodation and where turn away from brooklyn because they weren’t special pioneers.

  charity begins at home..

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  Dunedain

  Listen, this is a religious cult whos roots are based in charlatanism. A group that peddled door to door, under the guise of fulfilling scripture, their own printed books and literature for a profit, and with free labor.

  This is a group that sold regular bushels of wheat from Bethel, claiming it was "miracle wheat", and at $16 bucks a bushel, when the going rate was around a $1 per bushel.

  This is a group of charlatans that switched from a publishing company who peddled their own made up lies, to a real estate company that sells the very buildings they use for worship, right out from underneath those same worshipers who paid for them.

  This is a group that systematically used and still uses free slave labor from its own blind followers, for financial gain. Then once they have used them up, throws them out into the very world that they condemned, and to fend for themselves without an ounce of help.

  Meanwhile, the leaders of this group build for themselves a palace and opulent compound for THEMSELVES ONLY.

  No, this group does NOT do charitable work for the poor. Instead they actually USE and ABUSE their own members. That's truly who these people are, and have ALWAYS been too, from the very beginning.

  You will know my followers by their fruits. That's what Jesus said. Well, the WTBS has had nothing but rotten, disgusting, fruit full of worms and lies. Time to cut down the evil tree.