wooohooo! AM I FUELED NOW.....:)
your encouragement has created a FRANKENSTEIN!
i'll let you know how the flyer thing goes off....
Hey...i think i still have my congregation mailing list....heeheeheee!
nativenyr23
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Need insider info on this past wk's mtg!
by nativenyr23 inok. just read the thread on the "special talk" today and how they mentioned apostates.. well, that explains why i had such a painful conversation today with my sister-in-law.
she called to let me know that she and her mother had reached a painful decision today....to abide by the shunning rule.
up until today, we had a great relationship....everything was fine.
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Do you still get Nightmares?
by sleepy indo you still get nightmares?.
because last night i had the crap scared out of me.. i cant remember what i had been dreaming about, but something shocked me and i opened my eyes and i saw a figure standing beside my bed.. my body when straight into fight mode.. now this is the weirest part for me.i shouted at the top of my voice , very loudly "what the f**k" yet it wasn't me speaking , my body sort of took over and said it .my eyes sort of adjusted and the figure disappeared and a i think at that point i became wide awake.. my wife was woken up by my shouting.. my heart was racing and my hair standing on end.. i have had a similiar experience once before but i didn't shout.. the fact that i woke up shouting, really freaked me out.. what the crap was going on in my head?
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nativenyr23
Yikes. that sounds TERRIBLE!
I had tons of nightmares as a kid...one i remember most is being on a rollercoaster...and that all the people on the rollercoaster "DIDN'T MAKE IT" and were going to die in armaggedon (which occurred at the end of the ride).
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Need insider info on this past wk's mtg!
by nativenyr23 inok. just read the thread on the "special talk" today and how they mentioned apostates.. well, that explains why i had such a painful conversation today with my sister-in-law.
she called to let me know that she and her mother had reached a painful decision today....to abide by the shunning rule.
up until today, we had a great relationship....everything was fine.
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nativenyr23
Biblexaminer:
PLEASE...give me your website. I didn't see it on your post.
Thanks everyone....i'm feeling better today about that stupid call yesterday. It's not so bad because they're in-laws, but they haven't realized that they will now be shunning my husband too (their own brother and son) even though he's not a witness. Cuz he figures, "if they won't accept you, then they lost me too."
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Need insider info on this past wk's mtg!
by nativenyr23 inok. just read the thread on the "special talk" today and how they mentioned apostates.. well, that explains why i had such a painful conversation today with my sister-in-law.
she called to let me know that she and her mother had reached a painful decision today....to abide by the shunning rule.
up until today, we had a great relationship....everything was fine.
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nativenyr23
Yeah, i know.
you guys are right.But my husband wanted to do the flyer thing....and he's not a witness, never has been.....minimal risk for backlash to me.
but it would be a fun thing to do after this blows over.
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Need insider info on this past wk's mtg!
by nativenyr23 inok. just read the thread on the "special talk" today and how they mentioned apostates.. well, that explains why i had such a painful conversation today with my sister-in-law.
she called to let me know that she and her mother had reached a painful decision today....to abide by the shunning rule.
up until today, we had a great relationship....everything was fine.
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nativenyr23
Ok. Just read the thread on the "special talk" today and how they mentioned apostates.
Well, that explains why i had such a painful conversation today with my sister-in-law. She called to let me know that she and her mother had reached a painful decision today....to abide by the shunning rule. up until today, we had a great relationship....everything was fine. They treated me normally (although we never discussed anything spiritual - following the "rules")...and out of now-where -BAM. I get the "we need to follow Jehovah's arrangements" conversation. Needless to say i was really hurt. My husband (it's his sister and mother who need to shun me - he's worldly) is furious. He's so pissed he wants to print out a bunch a flyers to place on their cars at the next meeting....something i've often thought about but never had the guts to do. Really funny, he's so pasionately angry about this and he's not ever been a witness,,just as a result of his mom and sister taking this decision now to "cut" me out.
1. Can anybody share what was said at the meeting this past week re:apostates, disfellowshiped ones, etc.? They said they reached this decision 4 days ago and haven't slept since.
2. Any advice on good information that can be printed to place on cars to at least peak the interest of a few free-thinkers that might be hiding in their masses?? I figured no info...just several web addresses might be good. That way, they don't immediate dismiss what they are reading.
What do you guys think? I'm still really hurt by this phone call today. I mean, i've been shunned, and f...k it, doesn't usually bother me. but what's bothering me so much about this one is we were close and then all of a sudden THIS.
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Who shuns you?
by Dawn inafter reading a number of posts it sounds like most of you have been shunned even by your immediate family members (parents, brothers, sisters)after you were df'd.. i am shunned by my sister-in-law - but she's it out of the entire family.
my uncle, brothers, mother, and father (an elder before he passed away) all continued to associate with me - we even go out to dinners together.. so here's my question - is my family the minority?
i thought that only non-family members had to shun you but family was ok as long as they don't discuss spiritual issues.
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Man, I'm so glad you asked this question.
You've stated the "rule" correctly; as far as i remember, and as long as they haven't changed the rules while i've been gone: Shunning is to be practiced with a fallen brother or sister, however, with family members, it's a "conscience" matter. There is no "written rule" when it pertains to family.
Here's why I find that question interesting in how it pertains to me. When I was first disfellowshiped, my immediate family "partially" shunned me. They cut back on the phone calls, dinners and such; but continued to talk to me; that is, until i decided to leave my husband (still a witness). Then, while i was "single" and living alone, they broke communication with me because I was dating and therefore, I MUST BE COMMITTING FORNICATION. Well, then I moved in with a man....who is now my husband, and that sealed the deal. My parents didn't speak to me for FOUR YEARS...until we married. Now my mother says she didn't talk to me because I was living in sin. But now that i'm married, she can talk to me......Well, here's the clincher. MY BROTHER'S SHACKED UP WITH A CHICKIE....but has SHE SHUNNED HIM!?!?!?!? of course not. So tell me how the rule conveniently doesn't apply to him?
In any case, I'm convinced that they use it when they see fit to use it and when it can benefit them.....Mom got a lot of publicity while shunning me....I had just given birth to twins when she cut me off...and WHAT A MARTYR she appeared to be in the congregation shunning me even though I had just had twin boys and was divorcing and had no one to help me.
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Heartbraek
by VeniceIT injust when you think your immune to the pain from family members shunning you get a surprise.
my sister hasn't talked or communicated with us for nearly 2 years.
in november my mom bought her granddaughter ashley a beautiful doll.
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nativenyr23
Ok. It has to be said.
Your sister is using this situation as a way to maintain power over your mother. Any JW knows that in instances where a close family member is disfellowshiped, it remains a "matter of conscience" whether or not the shunning applies. Your sister can maintain a relationship with you and your mom since they are very close family members. However, she choses to apply the "shunning" practice to Martyr herself before the congregation ..."Poor sister so-n-so...she's LOST her mother and her sister...) So she looks like a martyred saint for abiding to the shunning policy. THIS WHEN EVERYONE KNOWS that when immediate family is involved, IT'S ENTIRELY A CONSCIENCE MATTER! (which would give her an "out" to communicate with you two if she really wanted to...but doesn't.)
I've been disfellowshiped for years. My mother (a very active and proud witness) maintains communication with me. She doesn't approve of what I practice, but we do not discuss religion. She respects my change of beliefs and we don't discuss religion. And my children are able to enjoy their grandmother and she them. My mother-in-law ALSO a very active witness, as well as my sister-in-law and her family, also witnesses. They are IMMEDIATE FAMILY....and we maintain a good relationship. We merely do not discuss anything spiritual. And they remain in excellent standing in their congregations. My mother even lets me know that people in the congregation still ask about me and my kids (after 10 years of being out!) and wish me well, although i am not in.
I would try to dig up some watchtower literature demonstrating the shunning policy being a conscience matter, highlighting it...and sending it to her with a note saying...."We can still be a family.....for the kids sake." It might not do a lot of good, but at least you'd be able to know that you put the WTS's words in front of her, letting her KNOW that the reason she shuns you is not because THEY'RE banning her...but because she CHOOSES to ban you.
Good Luck. I feel for you. My not-so-immediate family still shuns...and i really miss them.
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Jews for Jesus
by nativenyr23 ini've done a little research since leaving the wts and am having difficulting sorting out what i really believe in.
after some studying of different faiths and their doctrines, i find i can relate to the jewish faith....but i do believe in jesus.
so i found out about this faith called jews for jesus.
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nativenyr23
Thanks for the feedback.
I suppose I could "go it alone" for a while...but I have kids and I feel i need to teach them something....have been visiting a non-denominational church and it's not bad. Just not sure if i'm going in the right direction. Plus, i want my kids to have something other than what my ex is offering (he's still a witness). He's working his butt off to make sure they turn out to be witnesses....and i SO want to offer them an alternative.
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How Old are We?
by Pureheart inhi all.. want to know the ages of everyone.
i will start with mine.
51; "ouch"!.
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nativenyr23
35 (and a half)!
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Jews for Jesus
by nativenyr23 ini've done a little research since leaving the wts and am having difficulty sorting out what i really believe in.
after some studying of different faiths and their doctrines, i find i can relate to the jewish faith....except i do believe in jesus.
so i found out about this faith called jews for jesus.
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nativenyr23
I've done a little research since leaving the WTS and am having difficulty sorting out what i really believe in. After some studying of different faiths and their doctrines, I find I can relate to the jewish faith....except i DO believe in Jesus. So i found out about this faith called Jews for Jesus.
Anyone here know anything about them? Am a little interested but of course a little scared to venture too far out there.