Posts by Navigator

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Jehovah or God is blood thirsty

by MrMoe in

second kings, we learn that menahem, leader of the israelites, smote all the people who refused to follow him and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up (2 kings 15:16).

later, in hosea, we learn that because the land of samaria rejected god, samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her god: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up (hosea 13:16).

hosea decided to carry out gods vengeance on the people by killing the unborn babies carried by the heathen women.

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Peacefulpete

I seem to recall a professor, commenting on the tension between the pharisees and the sadducees during the time of Jesus and Paul, holding that the Jews had been greatly influenced by the Babylonians and Persians during their captivity. The pharisees seemed to have borrowed some ideas from their captors. They may have borrowed the book of Job as well. He also held that the Hebrews really didn't exist as a people until Moses welded them into a definable group, during the 40 year wandering, from a polyglot group of semites(read wetbacks). Is this the time period when they "borrowed" their god from the Caananites? The bible would seem to indicate that Moses learned about Yahweh from his father-in-law. Does this story recount the event of the "borrowing"?

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Off to Oregon - Merry Christmas

by Amazing in

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my children have decided to fly me back to oregon to spend christmas with them.

this will be the first time i have seen my family since february 2001 and since my heart attack ... so this is a special time for them and me - and i get to see all my grandchildren.

i promised to make three finale posts ... i have written two of them but i am holding off until i can think them through more and be sure of what i want to say ... so i may post them soon or when i get back on the 27th.

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Jim

How wonderful that your kids are doing that for you. I know that you will have a great time. Remember the main operating rule for grandparents when dealing with grandchildren: Spoil them rotten and leave them there.

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sacred secret

by peacefulpete in

hello all, it has been a while and much has happend.i have been reunited with my wife who has left the witnesses as a result of pursuing research on the origins of the christian theology.it is very hard on her now and i hope i can be enough support to get her through this.

the point of this post is to make plain what was once secret.

most all of us recognize dec 25 as a date once reserved for celebrating the winter solstice by honoring various sun gods or god's associated with light.

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PeacefulPete

I said the Christ in our hearts. Didn't say anything about Jesus. We all of us have the potential to become the Christ. I consider that Jesus is our brother, not our God. He certainly was a troublemaker. I think the Romans crucified him primarily to appease the Jewish leaders.

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OJ makes me sick

by hannibal in

did anyone see oj simpson on espn last night?.

dan patrick interveiwed that scumbag.dan asked him... .

ya, so do you still spend money trying to find nicoles killer?.

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Meadow77

Very Good! I certainly would have contributed a gallon or two to that kitty.

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sacred secret

by peacefulpete in

hello all, it has been a while and much has happend.i have been reunited with my wife who has left the witnesses as a result of pursuing research on the origins of the christian theology.it is very hard on her now and i hope i can be enough support to get her through this.

the point of this post is to make plain what was once secret.

most all of us recognize dec 25 as a date once reserved for celebrating the winter solstice by honoring various sun gods or god's associated with light.

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Peaceful Pete

Yes, I've always had some reservations about the Xmas story. As far as I know, the slaughter of the children by Herod has never been confirmed outside of the bible. Nevertheless, the Xmas celebration is a wonderful time to become aware of the only thing that counts. That is the birth of the Christ within ourselves. I believe the Christ presence is that part of us which remembers our true heritage as children of the Most High. Unless the Christ is born again within us, the celebration is meaningless.

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Another change in JW doctrine?

by Smiles in

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if the catholic church goes bankrupt, as some media sources suggest may occur... what do you think that would mean for the current jw doctrine on the 'destruction of babylon the great'?

Navigator

I'm with Roddy on this one. The claimants will not be able go beyond the resources of the diocese in order to collect. And I'm sure that Roddy is correct that the diocese can manuever the assets in such a way as to make it virtually impossible for anyone to collect anything.

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Nicer Than God

by Yizuman in

this is from the bob enyart website...he explains pretty clearly why some people are turned off to christianity, even by secular christians.

some folks here believe they are much nicer than god and think god is (or thinks sometimes is) wrong and questions his motives.. http://www.enyart.com/features/writings/nicer.shtml.

comments?.

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SixofNine

The operative phrase in your post is "The God of the Bible". I would have to agree with you on that score, but I don't really believe they knew anything about God.

Edited by - Navigator on 16 December 2002 23:34:22

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I've never lived

by DanTheMan in

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been doing a lot of reflecting lately, about my life and this crazy world.. fear has dominated my life.

i have barely lived because of it.

i just exist, that's about it.. when i was growing up, it was bullies at school.

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Dantheman

You have already been given some excellent advice. I don't want to sound too metaphysical, but the things we focus on do tend to manifest in our lives. Remember the line from Job:"Lo, the very thing I feared has come upon me". Look for the good and praise it. Do some serious thinking about what you want to do with your life and then begin to do it, one small step at a time.

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The coming "disassociations"

by Elsewhere in

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i have seen several threads about how the elders are going to be going around asking people if they still consider themselves to be jehovah's witnesses.

this will undoubtedly result in multiple da announcements in the coming months.

i'm curious how the average jw will perceive this and respond to it.

Navigator

I tried that Country Girl ... didn't work for me:

Elder: Do you accept that he Governing Body are Gods representatives on earth?

Simon: What? Are you mad?

Simon:

LOL: I don't think that type of question was what Country Girl had in mind. It is appropriate, however.

Navigator

Edited by - Navigator on 16 December 2002 18:22:37

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Is Warning re Possible Lawsuit Required?

by Scully in

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this is just a general question for anyone who might have some legal background on the matter.. if (and i expect there will be) an announcement is made to our former congregation that we are "disassociated", can i just go ahead and sue them (individual elders in the congregation) for slander and defamation of character?

the decision to make the announcement is one that has to go through the body of elders, right??.

is it necessary, when the elders come calling, to say "i will sue the shirt off your back and the bloomers off your @$$ if you make any announcement that slanders my name or defames my character to anyone"??

Navigator

No warning is required for any lawsuit. However, as a previous poster has indicated, the warning may "do the trick". However, unless someone has blabbed about something that wasn't true and spread it around the congregation, you are going to have a difficult time with a lawsuit. As pointed out by previous posters, the courts are reluctant to become involved in religious matters. You could wind up having to pay their court costs. If, on the other hand, someone in the congregation has slanded you, you could sue them and the dfing could add substantially to the damages since it would perhaps cost you family relationships.