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  Ray Franz Comments on Y.M.C.A.

  by compound complex in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ray franz states that, according to governing body decisions on matters of faith, fault found with certain of a religion's teachings makes said faith, in its totality, unacceptable to god.

  therefore one's association in that religion renders one unclean.

  as a consequence, a jehovah's witness would be disfellowshiped for joining the y.m.c.a.

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  XBEHERE

  I think that Ray Franz sincerely thought that changes could be made in the organization.

  Pahpa this is what I meant by technically in while disagreeing with the WTS. My point was people think he championed the great apostasy and left the org but in reality he was thrown out! I guess he eventually would've left on his own but he did not leave he was DF. Some who post here have had much more dramatic exits. I read both Ray's books and his low key exit from Bethel fits with the humble, quiet, non resentful attitude he showed in the books.
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  Ray Franz Comments on Y.M.C.A.

  by compound complex in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ray franz states that, according to governing body decisions on matters of faith, fault found with certain of a religion's teachings makes said faith, in its totality, unacceptable to god.

  therefore one's association in that religion renders one unclean.

  as a consequence, a jehovah's witness would be disfellowshiped for joining the y.m.c.a.

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  XBEHERE

  He doesn't expect JWs to stay in the Borg and wait on God...his example is proof of that.

  I am not in any way critisizing Raymond Franz but Blondie said the above. However, Isn't it true though that he did not leave the org but was basically spyed upon by the GB and dismissed from Bethel, then disfellowshipped for eating with his boss? Who's to say how long he would have been "technically" a JW while still having feelings that the org is wrong.
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  Whats the strangest thing you've seen someone get in trouble for?

  by LaniB in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i remember one windy summer day, after a meeting on sunday morning, i walked out of the hall behind a sister who was part of the church congregation with her two teenage children.

  her husband did not attend.

  the wind caught her dress unexpectedly and blew it up a'la marilyn monroe and revealed that she was wearing (shock, horror) french knickers...... there were a few murmers behind me which i at the time put down to things like "oh poor girl, so embarrassing".

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  XBEHERE

  Star Wars promotes the occult (the Force and whatnot).

  What blasphemy.... that elder should've been taken out and shot in the back of the head for that comment.
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  A shrinking Congregation

  by DevonMcBride in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i drove by the kingdom hall tonight and saw only 12 cars parked in the lot.

  five years ago there would have been at least 30.

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  XBEHERE

  I would imagine that it depends on the area of the U.S. or other country you are in but here my area of the U.S. the young ones are leaving in droves...not getting baptized, getting df or just simply moving to a cheaper area and disappearing off the JW radar.

  The other english congregation that meets with us in the same hall is suffering severely, their TMS and Service meeting looks like a bookstudy. From what old timers in my cong say before the 2 split about 20 yrs ago the attendance used to be over 150 every single meeting and some sundays almost 200. Watchtower's waters are drying up particularly in the english speaking field here in the U.S.
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  Are elders what they used to be?

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was a young and idealistic elder - the attitude that was stressed continually was this one :.

  christiangreatnesscomesfromserving.

  "among you, whoever wants to be great must be your servant."matt.

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  XBEHERE

  Having been the wife of an elder, I know how much stress is put upon these men to sometimes go against their conscience. It really is a "good old boys club" and you must adjust your thinking to theirs to fit in. To step aside takes great humility because the gossip starts in full force and you are immediately treated as a lesser person.

  This is exactly it in a nutshell. Once you stop "adjusting your thinking and going against your own conscience" that is when the pestering starts like in my case.

  "How are you?" "We missed you at the last meeting" PO: "Do you think we could meet and talk with you for a few minutes?" "We noticed..you seem stressed out lately"

  I have made a concession recently to start to go more regularly to the meetings again w/ the wife but I am done playing games with the other elders and she understands this. She knows my stepping aside/deletion isn't far away. Maybe when she sees how I am treated afterwards she'll finally see how unloving and unchristlike these people really are and leave with me.
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  Are elders what they used to be?

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was a young and idealistic elder - the attitude that was stressed continually was this one :.

  christiangreatnesscomesfromserving.

  "among you, whoever wants to be great must be your servant."matt.

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  XBEHERE

  Most of the elders now suck. many are power hungry, insecure, petty, unloving, etc, etc. There was a time where elders were reccomended based on what the bible said now its more who you know and who's big fat ass you kiss.
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  Just how honest are you?

  by ButtLight in

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  2. friends

  lets say you go throught the bank drive through, and cash a check.

  they give you an extra hundred bucks.........would you tell them?

  (i have to admit, i didnt, and felt guilty).

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  XBEHERE

  I once went to a local deli here and ordered lunch, gave the nasty owner/cashier a $10 and she gave me back change for a $20. I admit that because I didnt like the way she yelled at her migrant (mexican most likely) staff I walked away. I felt a little guilty but not that much since I didnt care for her. I would not deliberately cheat someone though.
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  Watchtower breeding campaign

  by Fleshybirdfodder in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok, so this is purely speculative, but with the dwindling numbers in the org do you think the wts may actually start encouraging the r&f to have children?

  as counterintuitive as it may seem with the constant impending armageddon agenda, i know of many died-in-the-wool company men (and women) who would swallow whatever spin the society feeds them to keep the numbers up.

  farfetched perhaps, but what else can they do?.

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  XBEHERE

  Observing my "generation" mid 30's-early 40's I'd say that most of us planned on not going to college and pioneering until the end came. Which was soon since people alive in 1914 couldn't really live that long right? Lately many of us since the generation change, myself included opted to stop pioneering and have kids. Afterall the end could be 10-20-30 yrs from now. Its amazing how WT doctrines really toy with people's lives.
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  "Apostates end up bitter and angry"

  by XBEHERE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i actually attended the bookstudy on friday, don't ask me why.

  anyway the revelation book is being considered and we're at the paragraph where the congregation in ephesus is comended for "not bearing bad men.." apostates.. .

  the comments from the ones attending were so baised and ignorant.

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  XBEHERE

  I actually attended the bookstudy on Friday, don't ask me why. Anyway the Revelation book is being considered and we're at the paragraph where the congregation in ephesus is comended for "not bearing bad men.." apostates.. . The comments from the ones attending were so baised and ignorant. One sister: "Oh the apostates, they just get so bitter and angry..they aren't happy"

  HELLO... if you found out that you had been lied to for x amount of yrs or decades wouldn't you initially be pissed?!!? Of course nobody talks to these "apostates" years later to see how happy to be out they really are. I guess JW's need to tell themselves that all apostates are bitter, angry evil people to solidify their own decision to stay in mind controlling cult. Just had to vent, more and more I realize why I dont like going to meetings.
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  A question for all Whisky drinkers.

  by lfcviking in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello chumz on the board.

  nothing really to do with jwism but who prefers the american 'bourbon' type such as 'wild turkey', 'jim beam' etc or who prefers a fine single malt scotch such as 'glenfiddich' or 'glenmorangie'?

  i am not trying to stir up nationalism with this question but am just genuinely curious.. lfcv.

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  XBEHERE

  Southern Comfort is best with Coke Classic

  That used to be my drink of choice after beer but an incident with a brother who was at bethel at the time barfing up a mix of southern comfort, coke and cheeto's turned me off to it pretty much for good.