Posts by XBEHERE

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Any one else like me?

by braincleaned in

i have pioneered every time i possibly could, gave talks... i was a good jw!

but for over 40 years, i had nagging doubts about the character of god.

to make a long story short, i'm now a happy atheist!

While I do not agree anymore with the god the watchtower promotes, I have yet to disavow belief in a creator. I do not think evolution is logical, I mean how can we be the best that evolution has to offer (survival of the fittest) when we are destroying our own environment and killing off other species left and right.

Its almost as if we as a species do not fit in to the rest of the animal kingdom. What purpose do we serve? If we all vanished every single species on earth would continue and prosper. As an example we are destroying rain forrests, which in turn threatens other animal species. If we were gone, no problem. Why would evolution allow such a destructive and unnecessary species to survive and thrive? Why?

Anyway I am going off subject. Jesus is at best a good historical figure, god almighty, perhaps but I need to be convinced.

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What's The Worst Thing About Being A Jehovah's Witness?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for me, i think it's that the witnesses teach they are god's spokesman.

they represent his "faithful & discreet slave"....and that they alone are expounders of the only truth and that if you disagree with anything they teach, you are considered worse than vomit.. it's unbelievable because these people are wrong so many times, it cannot be excused!.

as a witness, you must accept every viewpoint and if you (and your family) do not accept it all, hook, line and sinker, you are "apostates"!!!.

XBEHERE

The guilt if you aren't doing "what you are supposed to be doing" i.e. if you miss a meeting you get the "how are you feeling?" at the next meeting. Its a religion that forces people to do what they want them to do by using guilt.

Now, since I don't feel guilty, I do things to keep the other elders off my back. That too is stressful and no way reflecting what Jesus said "...load is kind and light.." They are the opposite of that. F'kin waste of time "religion"

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More excrement in the fan

by outsmartthesystem in

jw
friends

well.....i am now officially on the precipice of divorce.

it started last tuesday night.

my wife brings the kids home at 10:00 pm after the meeting....then dinner....then ice cream.

XBEHERE

Good for you. If only I had the guts to stand up for what I believe in and leave this chicken shit religion. You are a stronger man than I am because I fear "officially" leaving the WT because I think I would get a similar response from my wife. I wish you the best with this.

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Family Worship

by XBEHERE in

anyone else notice how the org is starting to equate family worship evening with an actual meeting.

i do realize that was probably always their intention but lately i have noticed them grouping it with "...ministry, attendance at meetings...family worship..".

they have the nerve to do that when one of the clearly stated reasons that they gave for disbanding the bookstudy was "increasing fuel costs" also spending an hour or more in some areas to travel to that hour long meeting essentially wasting time.

XBEHERE

Anyone else notice how the org is starting to equate Family Worship Evening with an actual meeting. I do realize that was probably always their intention but lately I have noticed them grouping it with "...ministry, attendance at meetings...family worship.."

Are they f'king serious?? They have the nerve to do that when one of the clearly stated reasons that they gave for disbanding the Bookstudy was "increasing fuel costs" also spending an hour or more in some areas to travel to that hour long meeting essentially wasting time. Their solution was to combine that meeting with the TMS and Service meeting. So we are not missing any meetings. So WTF all of a sudden guilting you to use your additional free evening for Family Worship. What's next taking attendance from each household to make sure you attend?

Such bullshit in this "religion"

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So, Are YOU Better Off Than You Were A Few Years Ago In Your Life?

by minimus in

jw
friends

is your life better off as a witness or exjw now than before?.

is your life better off in the last few years economically?.

XBEHERE

economically yes

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Proof of adultery no longer needed to be spiritually free to remarry

by WuzLovesDubs in

jw
friends

so this is what my soon to be ex says to me today...the same person who is courting wooing and flirting with a sister and has been for a very long time even way before i told him i wanted a divorce.

he tells me that they "dont spy on people any more to get proof" that my just telling him i did or him telling the elders that i did is "sufficient" for him to be free.

he also said hes not allowed to talk to said sister any more because she is "spiritually free" but not divorced yet!

XBEHERE

F rom new flock book, sorry I dont know how to paste properly.

10. Scriptural freedom to remarry requires three

conditions:

por-nei'a;

a rejection (refusal to reconcile)

by the innocent mate; and a legal, final divorce.

-Matt. 5:31, 32; 19:9; Heb. 13:4.

11. If a dedicated Christian who accuses his believing

mate of adultery and

wishes to establish

freedom to divorce and remarry

approaches an

elder, the matter should be referred to the body of elders.

The accuser is not free unless the evidence establishing

wrongdoing is sufficient to warrant the

formation of a judicial committee. (Deut. 19:15; John

8:17) If the accused mate is associated with another

congregation, the evidence should be presented to

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"Shepherd the Flock

o f God”~ l Peter 5:2

the elders of that congregation for review and a determination.

The publisher should be advised

that he

is

not to view himself as Scripturally free until the
elders
have investigated

and guilt is established.

12. In some cases adultery is not proved, but it is
established by confession or by two or more witnesses

that the mate stayed

all night
in the same house
with a person of the opposite sex (or a known homosexual)

under improper circumstances.

The elders
should carefully consider the situation. Were the individuals

together

all night? Were improper
circumstances

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Proof of adultery no longer needed to be spiritually free to remarry

by WuzLovesDubs in

jw
friends

so this is what my soon to be ex says to me today...the same person who is courting wooing and flirting with a sister and has been for a very long time even way before i told him i wanted a divorce.

he tells me that they "dont spy on people any more to get proof" that my just telling him i did or him telling the elders that i did is "sufficient" for him to be free.

he also said hes not allowed to talk to said sister any more because she is "spiritually free" but not divorced yet!

XBEHERE

if he confesses to pornea with someone else then they will accept that, thats all they need acording to current standards. He can't just accuse you and be free if you deny it, they will not allow that since there is no proof. It will be a tricky situation and can cause many problems for the elders for sure. Bottom line is they need to have proof either by confession or witnesses.

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Umm Hi

by Killa in

so i have something interesting to share.. i am a jehovah's witness.

i have been in the truth for 26 years of my life.

as a young boy i deeply loved the truth.

XBEHERE

Interesting story, welcome to the board. I am also an active elder who was on a similar course as you about 12-15 years ago. Assembly parts, pioneer with wife, CO's pet, etc. Of course I didn't have the emotional issues that you seem to have based on your comments.

I started turning down things theocratically when I realized that many elders are in it for themselves, for their own glory, it was all a game of politics and I was an ass kisser. Not wanting to be an ass kisser I said f*ck it and told the CO's to piss off. I was labeled as a "bad attitude" I was stripped of being the PO in my congregation, stripped of being in the "know", and was forgotten. Which was fine for me because by then I had decided that there was something up with this religion. Then about 10 yrs ago I realized that this org allows children to be raped and it is covered up. That was it for me emotionally.

Anyway, sorry for hijacking your thread. I wish you the best in your endeavours. Stay here, go up to you.

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Absalom prefigured young JWs who fist bump, play video games, and take pictures of themselves with the opposite sex

by JimmyPage in

jw
friends

jehovah's witnesses top the list in not being able to hold on to their younger members.

so what do they do to combat this?

do they go out of their way to change things to keep the next generation, their only real hope of long run survival?

XBEHERE

At our meeting the conductor focused a lot on that picture. He said it was so beautifully illustrated that the freedom the world has really isnt "true" and that Jehovah lovingly provides us spiritual food like this so we can see the difference between what he offers and what the world offers...

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Meeting attendance

by DATA-DOG in

XBEHERE

Attendance is down in my congregation. We are at maybe 75-80% for weeknight and 80-90% for Sunday. CO is always claiming that we are low in the circuit but when I go to give talks out that doesn't seem to be the case.