Posts by XBEHERE

Over 11 years here, and the purpose for me is to ensure that I do not get wrapped up in the lie once again while I wait to muster up the courage to leave once and for all.

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Appointed by holy spirit

by Ben57 in

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i have been reading the posts on who is and or had been an elder.

it amazes me at what many have said.

perhaps i have misunderstood what they were saying.

Bottom line is the sheep (the "loyal" sheep) are made to believe that what the elders say issues forth from God via his "appointed channel". You can quote whatever you want, say whatever you want, claim that there is no class system in the WTS but the preception is that the elders are in charge, with the Coordinator being the head elder (yes they have tried to change this but it hasn't really) and the CO is in charge of the elders.. so on and so forth. Up to our glorious mediator's to god, the GB. Oh and this whole system is approved by God so just shut up and deal with it.

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They are Definitely Attacking "Higher Education"

by XBEHERE in

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friends

a friend of mine recently had his co visit and in the elders meeting the co out-right asked the question: how are the friends doing in your cong.

as regards pursuing higher education?

the co continued...you know in view of all the counsel from the slave regarding the dangers.

XBEHERE

A friend of mine recently had his CO visit and in the elders meeting the CO out-right asked the question: How are the friends doing in your cong. as regards pursuing higher education? The CO continued...You know in view of all the counsel from the slave regarding the dangers. Are parents being spiritually minded on making decisions about their children's future?

My friend said that the CO went on for 30 minutes with elders interjecting their thoughts on this certain brother or sister. Peppered by comments from the CO about how its a waste of time. Now my friend is a staunch JW and even he was taken aback by it. He has kids that are in High School so he is beginning to struggle a little with this issue. Anyway the point he took away from this is they are on the offensive with education. Do not expect to remain an elder, ms, or pioneer if you or your wife or kids want to better themselves by going to college. He said the whole tone seemed like the branch office was asking the CO's to put feelers out and try to determine how to attack this growing problem. I said ok, and when my visit comes up I would let him know what he says to us.

My take on it, expect a D.C. talk about it to followed up by a direct Watchtower outlining the evils of pursuing a higher education. I know they have been hammering at this for a while now but this is the first time in the 20 yrs that I have been serving that a CO directly asked about this subject. Lets see how this all plays out.

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Christmas Field Service

by NeverKnew in

on another thread, i read that a few adherents may be traveling (cough-cough) to other cities and wouldn't be able to make field service on christmas day.. what is the likelihood that going out on christmas will be encouraged at the weekend services at the khs?

...or do most halls stay neutral on this?

given what i've read on this forum, i have the impression that disrespecting a day of other's celebration wouldn't be discouraged which annoys the heck out of me..

XBEHERE

most jws I knew hated it and only went out if assigned to take the group

This has been my experience in most of the congregations that I have been in. I personally think it is inconsiderate and ridiculous for JWs to even expect people to give a rats ass about what they have to say on any holiday..

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A bona fide Circuit Overseer endorses jw.net!

by abiather in

though he is a typical wt slave, we are like david and jonathan.. in my most intimate conversation with him, i asked him:.

how do you manage serving an organization built on inherent contradictions?.

he said: organization helps people to grow spiritual, like any other religious organizations do.

XBEHERE

In the meantime he is continuing to live a lie and a pretense. Also, the fact that he remains in a position of authority influences others to remain part of the organization, an organiztion he apparently knows to be filled with contradictions and false teachings.

This is just wrong

This is also me... I confess. I keep telling myself its for my family that I stay. However it is really out of fear and cowardice.

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How bad is the nepotism really with the appointments of elders?

by toto555 in

i've seen brothers related or who are friends of elders who get appointed after only 6-12 months as an m.s.

while they were other brothers slaving away for years.

elders also who promote their sons and basically say to other young brothers "to heck with everyone else".

XBEHERE

Nepotism sure, but one thing that I know for a fact is that Holy Spirit plays absolutely no role. I know because I was re-appointed after moving back in 2006....4 years after joining this forum. lol.. I guess GOD missed that one.

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COMPETITION IN THE CONGREGATION!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

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friends

there always seemed to be a level of unspoken competition within the congregation.

wether it be between elders, ms, pioneers, etc... who's kids are doing more, who gets more hours out, who comments the most or the best, who gives the best parts, whos kids are the best, who has the better car, who has the better house, who has the better job and so on... it's not openly discussed but you can discern it through conversations, sometimes you can hear undertones of jealousy or meddling in others business, this always bothered me!

if this is gods organization whats with all the jealousy and competiton, i would see other religions or organizatons with less of these issues and question it!.

XBEHERE

Its human nature to behave like that. It is just magnified in the JW.org because many have nothing else to make them feel better and they (we) are all trapped emotionally.