i wanted to get a list of arguments that illustrate how the watchtower society is or isn't following 1st century christianity today.
thanks again everyone!.
For the record I have been a pioneer for many years. And there is no "secret information" given to pioneers or elders. It can all be found in various WT publications.
besides the policy letters that instruct elders to call the legal dept. in all cases of pedophilia. I don't see that backed up in the bible and most R&F are not aware of that policy.
i wanted to get a list of arguments that illustrate how the watchtower society is or isn't following 1st century christianity today.
thanks again everyone!.
That precahing the good news is an absolute requirement for all christians and your activity must be recorded on a publishers record card for the elders too look at and judge your spirituality. Show me in the bible where either of those things are necessary to gain salvation.
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even if they are conditional friends
This is so true, and if you are an elder even more so. Kiss ass brothers and MS's love to be your "friend" until they leech on to a more prominent elder who can actually help then "reach out" lol. such bullshit.
during my first few years at bk, i spent a significant amount of time at jcah.
i am really trying to make at least one connection with someone i know personally.
lol.
What exactly happened to Ricketts? All I heard were rumors....something about stealing funds.
id like to know what personally convinced you jws are wrong about a particular doctrine/practice, that they are not gods true.people and/or what made you leave emotionally/physically.
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What first got me considering that they are wrong is the fact that they dare to use the 2 witness rule in the bible to justify not calling the police if a child is molested or raped. It is pharisaical to put a rule in place of someone elses welfare.
Jesus himself showed how wrong those pharisees were by critisizing them for not doing things out of compassion on the sabbath. So they seriously would let a child rapist go unpunished because, "well it is his word against that 5 year old girl.. nobody else complained". Haven't they heard of spirit of the law.. idiots. Jesus said you would get saved by:
1. Loving Jehovah
2. Loving your neighbor as yourself. Period!
Is it showing love to Jehovah by abusing that 2 witness scripture? Is it loving to allow a filthy pedophile free to rape other children?
Anyway after I struggled with that then rest falls into place.
i never believed that in 1975 or by the end of the 20th century, we would see the great tribulation occur.
some witnesses would listen to fred franz' talks where he clearly told his audience that 1975 was the end of 6000 years and the beginning of the jubilee....or something like that.. was there something that you never truly accepted that you were supposed to believe as a jehovah's witness?.
Romans 8:1- Therefore those in union with Christ Jesus have no condemnation
So only 144,000 humans out of thousands of years of history are not condemed. Really?
Also
Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers,
So why do we all need to go out in the ministry. The word some means something else to the governing body I guess.
Those are my main "pet peeves"
this was a question that sprang to my mind as i watched raypub's (eric's) j.c video.
can't wait for the rest of it by the way !.
it was so obvious that all those on that j.c, like i would think 99.9% of elders , put loyalty to the gb/wt before jehovah, jesus the bible or truth.. they are simply company men through and through.. the average r&f jw seems to me to believe they are serving god, and that comes higher on their list than the wt, you can see this by the way they pick and choose which of the myriad rules they obey.
I find that it depends on the elder. Back in my kiss ass heyday as an elder I was a total WT/FD&S goon and if you as a R&F member didnt measure up you were beneathe me.
Later as I became more moderate and started to realize that being an elder is a political office only I eased up tremendously. Now I truly consider myself trapped as an elder due to pressure from wife and other family members. I hate it and I decline "privileges" as much as I can, I try to treat all with respect, and the other elders are slowly getting tired of me. lol.. I can only hope that soon stab me in the back and I can sit back and do jack squat.
my 97 year old grandmother died last week.
she was actually born and raised a jw.
her mother (my great grandmother) was a russelite.
Sorry for your loss. I do agree, for some its a good ride. My grandmother also was in it for over 60 years and pioneered for over 20 of them. She was happy. Ignorance is bliss as the saying goes.
not that big of a deal, but it is kind of humorous.... my wife and i went to a local mcdonald's for lunch.
yes, i know all the bad things that are in their foods... but it's difficult to find lunch places that are 'healthy' and low-cost.. anyway, she went and sat down, and i ordered the food.
as i came round the corner with the tray filled with burger, fries and the cups for our sodas, i spotted a group of four women sitting at one of the tables.. folks... i just want to make one thing very clear.
lol. That's all JWs do is take breaks, at least in my area. I swear half or more of them dont give a shit about reaching people. Its really sad, such a waste of time seriously!
i posted on another thread about a couple of my experiences of meeting the governing body while i was in brooklyn.
i wanted to see if anyone else had any experiences along these same lines.
i met most of the ones that were current during the 2001-2003 years.
I have met:
Carey Barber- Friendly
Dan Sydlik- Ok
Milton Henschel- Quiet, but told me a joke
Ted Jarascz- never smiled, nodded hello instead of saying it
John Barr- Friendly
Lloyd Barry- Aloof but smiled often
John Booth- friendly
Gerrit Losch- pragmatic, quasi friendly
Lyman Swyngle- Perpetual scowl on his face
David Splane- Friendly, his wife Linda was(is) extremely friendly
Thats it, never met any of the noobies
