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Nemesis

by Yadirf in

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nemesis .

in a thread over in the bible research section you said to you know:.

even the watch tower society now realises this, thats why they changed their teaching on the sheep and goats from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon.. first i want to say that i agree with you regarding when jesus parable of the sheep & goats finds fulfillment.. also, i agree with you that those who died in the flood will be resurrected as will those that die at armageddon.. what i want to know though, is where did you get the idea that the wts has changed its position from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon regarding the sheep/goat parable?

Nemesis

Another interesting article discussing the subject is here:
http://www.food4jws.org/wt_beliefs/sheep_and_goats.htm

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Nemesis

by Yadirf in

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nemesis .

in a thread over in the bible research section you said to you know:.

even the watch tower society now realises this, thats why they changed their teaching on the sheep and goats from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon.. first i want to say that i agree with you regarding when jesus parable of the sheep & goats finds fulfillment.. also, i agree with you that those who died in the flood will be resurrected as will those that die at armageddon.. what i want to know though, is where did you get the idea that the wts has changed its position from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon regarding the sheep/goat parable?

Nemesis

Hi Yadirf,

Dungbeetle has posted one part that they changed back in 1995, but they have taken it further in regard to those who around when Jesus takes up the throne as said here:

“When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.”—Matthew 25: 31, 32

I remember a longish conversation with a female witness friend who is well grounded and I can see her leaving in the near future. But anyway, she had just come back from Pioneer school, and they covered this topic there, and said they were now saying the separation was post-Armageddon during the millennial reign and resurrection, not pre-Armageddon. If you note the scripture quoted above “And all the nations will be gathered before him”, for this to happen most cannot be dead, as we are told happens prior to this time in the preceding tribulation, “for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.” (Mathew 24: 21, 22) Later we are told Jesus takes up Kingdom throne and the separation of the sheep and goats starts, this was now [according to Watch Tower 'new light'] in regard to how the resurrected treat those here on earth and each other, and parallels with parts of Revelation: “But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Hades gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. And death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire.”—Revelation 20: 12–15

Anyhow, that was the gist of it, I didn’t go into any more detail, and there are some obvious problems with both views. She said they had hinted [in a Watch Tower manner] in some recent mags that this is the case, but not said it as strongly as they first did back in 1995 [the article that Dungbeetle just posted]. My Watch Tower CD is only up to 2000, so I can’t check for any hints or reforms—but she was adamant that they were now speaking in regard to the resurrected and how they behaved under the millennial reign of Christ. There are some problems, like he mention of being in prison etc, but maybe that's just symbolic, who knows. That’s all I have for now, I will ask her for more detail when I next speak to her [she lives 200 miles from me] but I will try and get some more info.

As for my profile, I haven’t put a detailed one up yet; but will give it some thought.

PS. There is no way I would ever go back to the Watch Tower organisation.

Nemesis.

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Watchtower's blind hypocrisy

by Nemesis in

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i was just surfing and looked at the official jw site.

there was a picture of a nun on the front page and it said: is there a sound basis for your beliefs?

if you click on it you get this link, to a watchtower article: http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/2001/8/1/article_01.htm.

Nemesis

I was just surfing and looked at the official JW site. There was a picture of a nun on the front page and it said: “Is there a sound basis for your beliefs?” If you click on it you get this link, to a Watchtower article: http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/2001/8/1/article_01.htm

They have the most uncanny ability to expose their own blazing hypocrisy without a hint of self recognition or embarrassment—it’s truly amazing how they can state things that are so true, and yet in their doctrines and actions they do the exact hypocritical opposite! Here are some gems from that two-page article:

“You probably cherish your right to believe whatever you wish to believe...BUT there is a need for caution. Some beliefs are not only different but also dangerous...Of course, it does not take deliberate lies to develop mistaken beliefs... How many people have met untimely deaths doing something they believed was right? Then again, often we believe a thing simply because we want to believe it. One professor says that even scientists "often fall in love with their own constructions." Their beliefs becloud their critical judgment. Then they may spend a lifetime in vain trying to shore up mistaken beliefs.—Jeremiah 17:9...Similar things have happened with religious beliefs—where immense contradictions exist. (1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 4:3, 4) One man has deep faith in God. Another says that the man is only "weaving faith out of moonshine."...

“...WHY, though, would anyone want to change his religion or belief? "I have my own beliefs, and I am happy with them," is the commonly expressed view. Many feel that even mistaken beliefs cause little harm to anyone...When it comes to religion, mistaken beliefs have historically caused great harm….How can you minimize the possibility of believing a lie?... Perhaps you have been brought up in the beliefs of your family...Building on the ideas and philosophies of men is like building on sand..."But wait," someone will say, "is it not the very ones who have the Bible who have caused the most conflict and confusion in world affairs?" Well, it is true that religious leaders who claim to follow the Bible have produced many confusing and conflicting ideas. This is because they have not, in fact, based their beliefs on the Bible. The apostle Peter describes them as "false prophets" and "false teachers" who would create "destructive sects."... The Bible encourages us to check our beliefs against what it teaches...”

So much info is there for the average witness to see the colossal hypocrisy of the Watch Tower society—how the hell do they always miss it when it’s right before their nose?

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Lesson for 'You Know'

by Nemesis in

i feel you need some balanced education in the scriptures.

i have posted this here as the other thread is going off on a tangent, my point is from that thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23284&site=3&page=2.

in regard to my quote from matthew 11:2024 about those in capernaum being more wicked than those in sodom, and also the fact that they had seen some of the most powerful works and miracles of jesus.

Nemesis

Hi TR,

Thanks for the advice about You Know—at least I tried to reason with him!

What makes me laugh TR is the fact that now he has his own personal pet philosophy that is neither scriptural nor official Watch Tower doctrine. Even they have changed after decades of criticisms and moved the ‘sheep and goats’ forward to the thousands year reign of Christ. You Know, seems oblivious to this and goes ahead of his “mother’s divine” guidance, and formulates a two-minute judgment day, some how squeezed in-between a new two-part tribulation! You Know doesn’t realise that if God were with the Watch Tower [as he clearly believes he is] then he [You Know] should be following their ‘new light’ doctrine on the ‘sheep and goats’ faithfully.

It comes to my mind that he is most definitely not a JW, or not one attending the meetings, as he isn’t even up to date with their latest changes. I get the gut feeling he may be a disfellowshipped one who then ‘pretends’ to be a faithful JW, as a kind of soothing to his self imposed guilt of rejection. In other words—he believes he will gain God’s grace back by valiantly defending the Watch Tower and all they represent. Unfortunately he has made a big booboo here by showing that he is well out of line with “mother” and her “new light spiritual food”. I have seen this before, where the disfellowshipped want to go back, and end up far more Pro-Watch Tower than most R&F witnesses. But they are always given away by their comments, attitude, and ignorance of various doctrines, as has just happened with You Know.

He does make me laugh though, and we all need a good chuckle to keep the spirits up!

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Lesson for 'You Know'

by Nemesis in

i feel you need some balanced education in the scriptures.

i have posted this here as the other thread is going off on a tangent, my point is from that thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23284&site=3&page=2.

in regard to my quote from matthew 11:2024 about those in capernaum being more wicked than those in sodom, and also the fact that they had seen some of the most powerful works and miracles of jesus.

Nemesis

You Know:

Can you give me some Biblical answers to a few questions?

1. How can 6 billion people alive now have sinned against the Holy Spirit if they know far less, and have seen nothing of Jesus’ miracles and proof like those in Capernaum did?
Especially the fact that those who in Capernaum personally witnessed supernatural miracles from God’s own son, and still they didn’t repent or accept him, and furthermore they cannot have sinned against the Holy Spirit as Jesus said they would come back for a second chance due to them going down to Hades, not Gehenna.—Matthew 11:20–24; Revelation 20:13.

2. Can you also tell me why you, one who so passionately defends the Watch Tower organisation, is so unenlightened on their “new light” in regard to the ‘sheep and goats’ during Judgment Day?
You said: “Judgement day begins with the tribulation and extends all the way down to the end of the 1,000 years.” But You Know, the scriptures tell us clearly that Jesus arrives after the tribulation, and this is when he sits on the throne and Judgement Day begins: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light... And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Matthew 24: 29, 30) “When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.”—Matthew 25:31–33

Even the Watch Tower society now realises this, that’s why they changed their teaching on the ‘sheep and goats’ from pre-Armageddon, to post-Armageddon. Also notice that in Daniel the eternal judgements made, are after “those asleep in the ground of dust...will wake up” (Daniel 12:2) Unless we see a mass resurrections now it has to be after the tribulation and Armageddon.

There is nothing in the Bible to say those who die in the tribulation, or in the past flood, or from some other past act of God, that they will not come back and be given a full comprehensive education and proof of who God, Jesus, and his kingdom really are—only then will they be judge as worthy of life or eternal death.

It’s so sad you are not willing to let the Bible and Jesus’ loving examples speak to you directly, not only that you are way behind your own man made organisation’s doctrines—The Watch Tower Bible and Tract society!

You also set up another major problem: If you feel your Watch Tower God is so merciless, and ignoring for a moment the large body of previous scriptures that contradict you that I have posted. If God were only going to save those actively associated with the Watch Tower organisation, then that would be [roughly] 6,000,000 persons, which is 0.1% of the world’s population. If this is God’s judgement on humanity, and all the tests that are there to push us away from him are just and fair, then he must also apply an exacting and perfect equivalent testing to all those resurrected after Armageddon. This would leave a major problem, say 15 billion came back for an example, then after the final test at the end of the thousands years, God would have to somehow apply the exact proportionate testing and evaluating to make all justice equal. Those alive being ‘perfect’ would be neither here, nor there, as God would have to judge with the same severity then, as he will now, which would lead to the major problem of only 0.1% of humanity surviving the test [excluding Armageddon survivors]. So 0.1% of 15 billion would be 15 million persons, not exactly a “fully populated paradise world” as the Watch Tower society teaches, is it? If more than 0.1% survived that would show massive bias in the testing to those alive now, and yet that is exactly what the Watch Tower society teaches.

I also see the extra inequality the Watch Tower teaches, for example the 0.1% is only 1 in 1,000 survivors now. So if you had 1,000 average people alive now, statistically only one would get through Armageddon if only the JWs get saved. But this is where it gets interesting. If those same 1,000 ordinary people all died in accidents for example before Armageddon, then the Watch Tower teaches they will come back in the resurrection, and get 1,000 years to conform, not 10 minutes on the doorstep with some inept JW. They will get 1,000 years in “paradise” according to the Watch Tower’s doctrine; also they get no evil people, no demons, no corruption, no health problems, no financial problems etc. and a relatively easy test at the end, as they are then perfect. The Watch Tower acknowledges that some may rebel in the final test, but still claims the earth will have a majority who stay faithful—here are some quotes:

1990 Watchtower, March 15 p. 31 “We can be sure that it will be much different when millions upon millions are resurrected during the Judgment Day. Then Satan will not be free to snatch away seeds of truth sown in their hearts. They will not have to cope with persecution or the anxieties of the present wicked system. They will be taught in a righteous environment, surrounded by the miraculous work of God, including the resurrection of the dead and the healing of the nations. Granted, some will not respond even then. (Compare John 11:45-53) But there is good reason to think that the majority will get the sense of the word, respond to it, and be saved.”

1996 Watchtower, February 1, p. 21 “The great tribulation will clear away the old system and all who refuse to ‘get the sense of’ the Kingdom. But the millions of ‘great tribulation’ survivors and the billions who will be resurrected will inherit Kingdom blessings without end in the restored earthly Paradise.”

Spot the difference? If you get run over by a bus now, you, according to the Watch Tower will be showered with love and mercy, resurrected to a 1,000 years in a fluffy candy coated paradise to repent in, and will most probably breeze through the final test and live forever. But if that bus doesn’t hit you, all you will get is a bumbling JW on your door, and 10 minutes to respond and then eternal obliteration, only 1 in 1,000 chance of survival, with no mercy at all! And they call that justice? 1,000 year paradise for one, 10 minutes and Gehenna for the other, and all based on a mere accident! Can’t they see the disgusting inequality of judgments and opportunity they are preaching?

I could go on and on... but hey—there’s plenty more for another day!

So You Know, can you answer my two questions above please—only Bible answers are acceptable.

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Lesson for 'You Know'

by Nemesis in

i feel you need some balanced education in the scriptures.

i have posted this here as the other thread is going off on a tangent, my point is from that thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23284&site=3&page=2.

in regard to my quote from matthew 11:2024 about those in capernaum being more wicked than those in sodom, and also the fact that they had seen some of the most powerful works and miracles of jesus.

Nemesis

You Know:
I see you have ignored all the scriptural points of mercy and location of the dead. And is it really necessary to go on diversion ad hominem attacks all the time?

You also forget that those described in Judgment day, are those alive after Armageddon [including the resurrected], not before—have you forgotten that the Watch Tower has realised it’s false teaching and changed it to the correct post Armageddon period?

Furthermore, the 12th chapter of Daniel refers to the tribulation period and says that there are those who go off into "indefinitely lasting abhorrence." That is in contrast with those who are given "indefinitely lasting life." That means that those who are killed during the time when the king of the North "will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and devote many to destruction," will not receive a resurrection.

I like the way you totally miss out verse 2 of Daniel 12 “And there will be many of those asleep in the ground of dust who will wake up, these to indefinitely lasting life and those to reproaches [and] to indefinitely lasting abhorrence.” This parallels perfectly with what Jesus said with the sheep and goats after Armageddon, not before. (Matthew 11:20–24) Thus showing that Jesus will not eternally judge anyone until they have all had a full and comprehensive education, and proof of God’s kingdom—thereafter if they reject all the proof before them, and act wickedly, they will be destroyed forever.

Why are you so keen to see billions of people obliterated, and yet you refuse to acknowledge Jesus’ abundant mercy and love for even those in Capernaum, who had seen the works of God—works that none of us have seen today! You almost seem to have contempt for Jesus’ mercy and feel if you ignore the scriptures long enough the Watch Tower’s programming will just kick in and make you feel all superior and smug at the annihilation of billons of people, the vast majority who don’t have a clue who Jesus really is, or what he really stands for. How on earth can they therefore have sinned against the Holy Spirit?

Also can you please stop insulting me and calling me “apostate”, as I am a Christian and not a godless ‘antichrist’ or ‘man of lawlessness’ as the Bible describes apostates. Simply leaving the Watch Tower organisation does not make me an apostate by any measure as far as the Bible is concerned. How would you like it if everyone here referred to you as a child molester? Be careful whom you label You Know, as slander is not a redeeming quality for a Christian.

I feel sorry that you are so determined to have a closed mind, and act in such a judgemental way and then slyly try and offload this onto God and Jesus.

I do like you as You Know, as you make me laugh with your posts, I will say a prayer for you for God to open your eyes.

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Lesson for 'You Know'

by Nemesis in

i feel you need some balanced education in the scriptures.

i have posted this here as the other thread is going off on a tangent, my point is from that thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23284&site=3&page=2.

in regard to my quote from matthew 11:2024 about those in capernaum being more wicked than those in sodom, and also the fact that they had seen some of the most powerful works and miracles of jesus.

Nemesis

You Know:
I feel you need some balanced education in the scriptures. I have posted this here as the other thread is going off on a tangent, my point is from that thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23284&site=3&page=2
In regard to my quote from Matthew 11:20–24 about those in Capernaum being more wicked than those in Sodom, and also the fact that they had seen some of the most powerful works and miracles of Jesus. Jesus said of them after they did not repent, “Down to Hades you will come” proving that they would get yet another chance in the resurrection, due to Jesus’ immense mercy and compassion.

My illustration of those alive now was to demonstrate to you that no one on the planet has seen Jesus raise the dead and perform many other miracles today. They have not had this immense witness to them at all, or anything remotely close to it. They therefore deserve far more mercy than those in Capernaum. Even if many would die at Armageddon for their sins, these also would be in line for a resurrection far more that those in Capernaum, who Jesus directly said would get one due to them being in Hades and not Gehenna.

Merely being killed by God is not prerequisite for eternal destruction. Many in Old Testament times were killed and will also get a resurrection as they are in Sheol, the same place as the good went also.

“And it came about that as soon as he had finished speaking all these words, the ground that was under them began to be split apart. And the earth proceeded to open its mouth and to swallow up them and their households and all humankind that belonged to Ko'rah and all the goods. So down they went, and all who belonged to them, alive into She'ol, and the earth went covering them over, so that they perished from the midst of the congregation. And all the Israelites who were round about them fled at the screaming of them, for they began to say: "We are afraid that the earth may swallow us up!" And a fire came out from Jehovah and proceeded to consume the two hundred and fifty men offering the incense.”—Numbers 16:31–35 NWT

Other scriptures also confirm this: Job 24:19; Psalm 9:17; 1 Kings 2:5; Job 14:13; Job 17:16; Ecclesiastes 9:7–10; 1 Kings 2:5; Isaiah 14:9–11; Ezekiel 31:16; Ezekiel 32:21; Matthew 11:20–24; Revelation 20:13.

Look at the example of Manasseh: “And he did evil in the sight of Jehovah, like the abominations of the nations that Jehovah had dispossessed from before the children of Israel. And he built again the high places that Hezekiah his father had destroyed; and he reared up altars to Baal and made an Asherah, as did Ahab king of Israel; and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them. And he built altars in the house of Jehovah, of which Jehovah had said, In Jerusalem will I put my name. And he built altars to all the host of heaven in both courts of the house of Jehovah. And he caused his son to pass through the fire, and used magic and divination, and appointed necromancers and soothsayers: he wrought evil beyond measure in the sight of Jehovah, to provoke him to anger. And he set the graven image of the Asherah that he had made, in the house of which Jehovah had said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever; neither will I any more cause the foot of Israel to wander away from the land that I gave their fathers; if they will only take heed to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them. But they would not hearken, and Manasseh led them astray to do more evil than the nations that Jehovah had destroyed from before the children of Israel…And Manasseh shed very much innocent blood, till he had filled Jerusalem [with it] from one end to another; beside his sin with which he made Judah to sin, in doing evil in the sight of Jehovah.”—2 Kings 21:2-16 J.N.Darby’s Translation 1890

And yet when you read on, he repented and was forgiven by God! You Know, If God can forgive someone like that then he can forgive virtually anyone for his or her sins, as even Manasseh had not committed the unforgivable sin of sinning against the Holy Spirit.

The scriptures in Hebrews, about sinning against the Holy Spirit, were directed at the spirit anointed Christians; who not only knew all about God and his purposes, but also were anointed with his Holy Spirit. If they then rebelled after this underserved kindness, there would be no hope left for them. (Hebrews 6:4-8) The only others clearly identified as going to Gehenna were the Jewish Pharisees, who not only saw divine miracles, and acts of the Holy Spirit, but wilfully opposed its operation, and had a wealth of scriptural and prophetic evidence that Jesus was the messiah, which they ignored, and also sinned against the Holy Spirit in full knowledge slandering Jesus and the Holy Spirit accrediting their operation to Satan.

You Know, virtually no one today is in that category, so even if 6 billion do die at Armageddon as punishment, the vast majority will come back for a proper chance after Armageddon as they would not have sinned against the Holy Spirit, and Romans 6:23 would come into operation; they have paid the price for sin which is death, and so would then get a resurrection and a full opportunity to know God and Jesus under his reign during judgment day.—Matthew 24:31–46

You Know, you need to realise that that God does not change, and in fact it is Jesus who will judge us (John 5:22) and he clearly stated even those who saw his supernatural miracles in Capernaum and did not respond will get another chance in the resurrection during judgement day. (Matthew 11:20–24) They, along with all those destroyed by God in the past who are now in Sheol will come back. This would include all those who died in the flood, as there is no scriptural evidence that they are in Gehenna, or that they sinned against the Holy Spirit, or that Jesus’ blood was not also shed for them.

It is not only distasteful that you set yourself up as a god of judgement, hiding behind the skirt of the Watch Tower “mother”, but you feel God will abandon his love and mercy clearly shown in the past by the fact that even the wicked will get another chance. You ignore the fact that Jesus clearly showed those who didn’t repent in Capernaum will come back again, how much more those alive now who have seen no miracles or proofs!

I will leave you will one scripture, your lack of love may mean the demise of your own eternal chances if you don’t learn to be more merciful:

“Stop judging that YOU may not be judged; for with what judgment YOU are judging, YOU will be judged; and with the measure that YOU are measuring out, they will measure out to YOU.”—Matthew 7:1, 2

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ARE YOU READY TO ROCK?

by You Know in

jehovah long ago confidently stated that he was going to rock the very heavens and the earth into oblivion.

although not going into detail exactly how he proposes to shake the nations up, it goes without saying that the world stands posed to experience a catastrophe beyond human comprehension.. it has now been six months since the so-called 9-11 disaster.

and while most people have been quick to get back to business as usual in their little lives, the events of 9-11 have set off a chain reaction of official policy revision that has potentially far-reaching consequences.

Nemesis

You Know:
Where is your love, mercy, healing, kindness, compassion and spiritual guidance? All I have seen here is a bloodlust for judgement that is not akin to Jesus in any way, shape, or form. Remember this scripture?

“Then he started to reproach the cities in which most of his powerful works had taken place, because they did not repent: 'Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! because if the powerful works had taken place in Tyre and Sidon that took place in YOU, they would long ago have repented in sackcloth and ashes. Consequently I say to YOU, It will be more endurable for Tyre and Sidon on Judgment Day than for YOU. And you, Capernaum, will you perhaps be exalted to heaven? Down to Hades you will come; because if the powerful works that took place in you had taken place in Sodom, it would have remained until this very day. Consequently I say to YOU people, It will be more endurable for the land of Sodom on Judgment Day than for you.'”—Matthew 11:20–24 NWT

Note how those in Capernaum were more wicked that those in Sodom, and saw supernatural miracles of not just a prophet, but by Jesus, God’s own son! And what happened? They didn’t even repent, and what did Jesus say would happen to them? “Down to Hades you will come” Showing that even they would be given another chance via a resurrection due to Jesus’ abundant mercy and compassion! (Revelation 20:13) So how you or the Watch Tower society can say God will just obliterate all mankind except the JWs is astounding, especially when the vast majority of people have no idea what the most basic JW doctrines even are! If those in Capernaum will come back, then why not all those who have had zero miracles, and maybe only a two minute chat with some inept witness on their doorstep? You Know, where is your love and mercy? Why are you so quick to slander Jesus and God and say they will kill all who are not following the Watch Tower’s false doctrines? Have you learned nothing of Jesus and the manner he dealt with people? And do you really think you will attract more to the JWs by your lust for war and anarchy? Most people would be repulsed with such a judgemental organization, and those that represent it.

I am so glad Jesus will judge mankind and not you!— John 5:22

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Question for Amazing—Re: Franz/Bible

by Nemesis in

amazing:.

i was curious after i read that you know ray franz, what his views are on those who go to heaven and those who dwell on earth in regard to the scriptures.

i have read both his books, and appreciate all the information therein.

Nemesis

WOW that was a speedy reply! Thanks very much Amazing, much appreciated. I will write to him sometime soon.

It can be quite hard once free from so many erroneous Watch Tower doctrines to have all the more questions after that are itching to be answered. As Jesus said, If we keep on knocking long enough God will either guide us to the answers or give us the ability to relax and not feel the compulsion to know all now, if he feels it’s not necessary for our personal development to know such information at this time—I suppose that’s where wisdom comes in—knowing when to accept what don’t know, and may not know for a long time. The virtue of patience and endurance, something we all need to build on.

Thanks again Amazing.

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ARE YOU READY TO ROCK?

by You Know in

jehovah long ago confidently stated that he was going to rock the very heavens and the earth into oblivion.

although not going into detail exactly how he proposes to shake the nations up, it goes without saying that the world stands posed to experience a catastrophe beyond human comprehension.. it has now been six months since the so-called 9-11 disaster.

and while most people have been quick to get back to business as usual in their little lives, the events of 9-11 have set off a chain reaction of official policy revision that has potentially far-reaching consequences.

Nemesis

You Know:

Who said we were in the middle of WWIII. You people like to fool yourselves, don't you?[quote]
You Know, I didn’t say we were in the middle of WWIII now, you implied that we can easily be there by your following words:
[quote] This is an extremely ominous development, because at this point now the Anglo-American establishments’ own intelligence apparatus can stage a provocation and blame it on any nation they chose to, and then simply, literally, blow them away...Of course, they know that as soon as one nuke gets detonated, no matter how far removed the mushroom cloud is from the West, that the ensuing panic and terror would cause a complete and utter collapse of the already disintegrating global financial system.

You have ignored Jesus’ words about life carrying on as normal when he arrives—he said it would come when you least expect it—not in the middle of a man made apocalypse!
And please don’t say, “You people like to fool yourselves, don't you?” I am not a “you people” I’m a Christian, and live on my own merit, not by a group's claims, please stop generalizing.