I think that if a JW offers the explanation given above in the Watchtower, it would be appropriate to ask whether he or she thinks that Jesus was not good.
NeonMadman
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The power of the GLASS...You MUST TOUCH THE GLASS!!!
by oompa ini swear if i was locked in the toilet stall they would crawl under the door to make sure i touch the glass......... i so dread going this year after skipping last year........the jw memorial service just creeps me out....the one little nuance that is stoopid and kinda funny is how much effort goes into everyones hands touching the glass and plate...i mean even the passing attendants who touch it dozens of times while passing it.....then sit down and pass it to themselves....then one will go hand it to the speaker and he used to hand it right back but now i think he takes it back to the table.
how formal are the instructions from wt on this "pass the glass" festival?......and do they still sometimes call it a "celebration?
".....geeze that pisseth me off.....
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NeonMadman
Apparently there is a great deal of symbolism in the Memorial celebration. They have to make sure that everyone present actively rejects the body and blood of Christ. Only in that way can they be certain that the attenders have chosen the organization over the Savior.
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Just saw the movie "Knowing" starring Nicolas Cage at Cinema. Wow nice flic
by StoneWall ingot to say i went to this movie cause wife wanted to see it at big screen.
(i was just going to wait till it came out on disc).
i kinda went into it with kinda low expectations because i really haven't heard much about it.. needless to say i was pleasantly surprised to say the least.
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NeonMadman
I've read somewhere that there is a lot of Mormon imagery in this movie. Did you notice anything like that?
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Bound volumes free for the taking
by jukief inwe have several nearly complete sets of watchtower and awake!
bound volumes, from 1960 through the early 2000s, that we need to get rid of quickly.
you can have them for the shipping cost.
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NeonMadman
There are only about 10 volumes that I need...are you willing to offer only part of the lot, or are you looking to ditch the whole bunch at once?
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Is this more dub-speak?
by Amha·aret ini've only got one sibling and she's a dub.
" line a few times but recently there was a slightly different slant to it.
she said to me that if i find something better than the dubs then to let her know but for the moment she thinks the jws are the best of a bad lot.
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NeonMadman
"If you can find something better" means, if you can find another, better organization that
- Uses the name "Jehovah"
- Preaches from door to door
- Refuses to go into the military
- Doesn't celebrate "pagan" holidays
- Doesn't teach "pagan" doctrines like the immortality of the soul or Trinity
- Etc, etc, etc.
Get the picture?
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I've done this before, but who is from MA?
by danfromma ini was in the newton cong from about 86-96, never baptized..
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NeonMadman
I was in West Springfield from 1969-75; Holyoke from 75-79; Southbridge from 79-99. I live in NJ now and don't belong to a congregation here (at least not a JW congregation ;) )
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Watchtower Writers - Prayer Specificity - Quantum Physics
by ataloa inwhere do the watchtower writers get their information?
are they free to research anything they like?.
several years ago there was an article that said we must be specific in our prayers.
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NeonMadman
According to their own publications, they get their information through angels and through resurrected members of the "anointed" class.
Huh? I don't remember ever reading that.
The part about angels is actually "old light," but was actively taught in the past. Check out these quotations:
The actual burning or destruction by fire is done by the officers of the Lord that are invisible to human eyes, that is, the cherubim, seraphim and angels ; but it seems clear that the cherubim have charge over fire or that which destroys. These invisible ones the Lord uses to put in the hands of his “faithful servant” class, that is, the man clothed with linen, the fiery message from his Word, or judgments written, and which is to be used as directed. The resolutions adopted by conventions of God’s anointed people, booklets, magazines, and books published by them, contain the message of God’s truth and are from the Lord Jehovah and provided by him through Christ Jesus and his under-officers…The interpretation of prophecy, therefore, is not from man, but is from the Lord; and the Lord causes events to come to pass in fulfillment of the prophecy in due time.
Vindication I, (1931) p. 120.
Without a doubt the Lord uses his angels to cause the truth to be published in The Watchtower... Certainly God guides his covenant people by using the holy angels to convey his message to them.
The Watchtower , February 1, 1935 , p. 41.
Certain duties and kingdom interests have been committed by the Lord to his angels, which include the transmission of information to God's anointed people on the earth for their aid and comfort. Even though we cannot understand how the angels transmit this information, we know that they do it.
Preparation , (1933) pp. 36, 37.
The "new light" came along later:
New Light: “Those who make up the one true Christian organization today do not have angelic revelations or divine inspiration. But they do have the inspired Holy Scriptures, which contain revelations of God’s thinking and will.”
Jehovah’s Witnesses – Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom (1993) p. 708.In light of their prior statements, though, I have to wonder whether it was angels who conveyed the "new light" that they weren't receiving angelic revelations...
Now, as far as communications from the dead, they once believed that Pastor Russell was still running the work on earth from heaven after he died:
This verse (Revelation 8:3) shows that, though Pastor Russell has passed beyond the veil, he is still managing every feature of the harvest work. We hold that he supervises, by the Lord's arrangement, the work yet to be done.
The Finished Mystery (1917) pp. 144, 256Hence our dear Pastor, now in glory, is without doubt, manifesting a keen interest in the harvest work, and is permitted by the Lord to exercise some strong influence thereupon.
Watchtower Reprints , November 1, 1917 p. 6161.
Because Judge Rutherford was unhappy with all the devotion to Pastor Russell among the Bible Students, he came up with some "new light":
New Light: “No one of the temple company would be so foolish as to conclude that some brother (or brethren) at one time amongst them, and who has died and gone to heaven, is now instructing the saints on earth and directing them as to their work.”
Jehovah (1934) p. 191.
However, despite the above "new light," the Watchtower's current teaching is nearly identical. They still teach that anointed ones who have dies and are in heaven are communicating information to the remnant here on earth for publication:
It is fitting, then, that one of the 24 elders, representing anointed ones already in heaven, should stir John's thinking. (Revelation 7:13,14a) Yes, that elder could locate the answer and give it to John. This suggests that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today. Revelation - Its Grand climax At Hand! (rev. 2006) p. 125.
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Watchtower Writers - Prayer Specificity - Quantum Physics
by ataloa inwhere do the watchtower writers get their information?
are they free to research anything they like?.
several years ago there was an article that said we must be specific in our prayers.
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Florida woman fired for saying Merry Christmas instead of Happy holidays!
by Witness 007 infoxnews reports that a florida woman was fired for refusing to say: "happy holidays" she insisted that as a christian she use the term christmas.
i have found others with the same view.
though one witness sister was fired from a smallgoods company for refusing to say "merry christmas.
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NeonMadman
Well good, at least you get it :-)
Of course I do. I have years of experience with an organization that expected me to believe everything it said, just because it said so.
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Florida woman fired for saying Merry Christmas instead of Happy holidays!
by Witness 007 infoxnews reports that a florida woman was fired for refusing to say: "happy holidays" she insisted that as a christian she use the term christmas.
i have found others with the same view.
though one witness sister was fired from a smallgoods company for refusing to say "merry christmas.
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NeonMadman
Neon, your arguments are fantasy.
Well, thanks for the detailed refutation, then. I guess my arguments must be fantasy, because you say they are...