Posts by NeonMadman

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Would the holy spirit appoint an elder this stupid? Not likely!

by venusinfauxfurs in

you learn something new in the kingdom hall every week.... .

i told an elder that i'm not going out in field service yet but god knows why that is and it's between him and i (translation: jehovahs witnesses are not the truth and it's a colossal waste of time) and i assume the elder took it to mean i want to do it but can't for some reason because he said "jehovah doesn't know that though.

he has to see you out there in field service to know that you're serious.

NeonMadman

That's not inconsistent with JW teaching, since they believe that Jehovah really doesn't know the future fully. He didn't know, for example, that Adam would sin, or who will be ultimately saved. According to WT teaching, Jehovah chooses not to know certain things about the future so as to allow free will in his creatures. Such a deity is timebound, and not all-knowing and eternal as the God of Christianity is.

Further, they believe that Jehovah doesn't even fully know the present, since they take his words to Abraham in Genesis 22:12 ("He said, "Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me.") to mean that Jehovah really didn't know before that what was in Abraham's heart. Most commentators understand this expression as an anthropomorphism, not an indication of a lack of knowledge on God's part. But the WT's Jehovah is not quite on the same level.

I remember Dr. Ron Nash speaking at a conference once about open theists, who believe, as the WTS teaches, that God does not know the future fully. His remark, which I thought was pretty witty, was , "If I had a God like that, I'd want to pray for him."

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Is it possible for an apostate to get reindoctrinated?

by foolsparadise in

jw
friends

and if so why?.

NeonMadman

Once you've seen the man behind the curtain, it's pretty hard to go back to believing in the great and powerful Wizard of Oz.

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JW's and music

by Pink Floyd in

i really resent the fact that the wt looked down upon alot of music.

rap was considered violent.

heavy metal was satanic.

NeonMadman

The WTS is always against whatever music is currently popular among teens. If you go back to the 50s, you'll find articles about how evil jazz is and how true Christians should avoid it. In the 60s it was rock and roll, in the 70s disco, in the 80s, heavy metal, etc etc. They are all about keeping the young people from enjoying their lives.

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city overseer? Does anyone have a list of all jw positions and titles?

by average joe in

i never heard of a jw city overseer and that makes me wonder about what else i haven't heard of.

i would like to know more about other positions titles etc such as what their titles are and what they do for the wtbs.

please and thanks.

NeonMadman

A City Overseer was just a person who was appointed to coordinate activities and issues between congregations when there was more than one congregation in a city. In theory, it wasn't a power position like that of circuit overseer. However, the city overseer tended to be one of the longer-term, more powerful elders among the congregations in the city. I've never seen a case, however, where he had significant influence in any congregation other than his own just by virtue of being the city overseer.

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1977 to 1981 EMs-PDF!

by Atlantis in

the ems are the elders manuals that were published from 1977 to 1981.. -.

if you want these manuals send me a pm and i'll paste the download link in your pm page.

you may need to copy and paste the link into your browser to get the link to work.

NeonMadman

Aren't these basically the same as the old "Flock" book? I thought that book basically just bound the three booklets into a hard cover? If they are different, I'd like to have them.

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"never receive him into YOUR homes or say a greeting to him" - 2 John 10

by irondork in

it's us who should be shunning them!.

2 john is talking about the anti-christ.

he describes it:.

NeonMadman

Should I Shun Cultists Who Call at My Door?

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Power of attorney of transfusion issues in the UK

by trailerfitter in

hi you wonderful people, i have a serious question.

when my wife finally gets baptised will she have to sign the power of attorney over to the jws automatically or this a voluntary thing?

i am concerned being a none bleiever that she will undermine my authority on this issue.

NeonMadman

The thing is that they also use the Blood document as an informal form of JW ID. If you go to Bethel and want to get a Watchtower Library CD, for example (which is supposed to be for JWs only), they will ask to see your blood doc as a proof that you are a JW. So it does involve more than just the blood issue. While it is technically voluntary, it's clear that everyone is expected to carry one.

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The GB are innocent!! Leave them alone, OK?

by punkofnice in

did that get your attention?

hahahahahaha.

seriously, what i've been running around my head is:-.

NeonMadman

I got a Diet Coke ad...

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The GB are innocent!! Leave them alone, OK?

by punkofnice in

did that get your attention?

hahahahahaha.

seriously, what i've been running around my head is:-.

NeonMadman

Followed by an ad for feminine pads when I reloaded after posting.

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What would Ex-JW's and Born Agains do if it was proven that BAC's gave wrong dates for the end

by booker-t in

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friends

i am so sick and tired of ex-jw's and born again christians(bacs) always condemning jw's and mormons for giving false dates when in fact born agains have a history of end of the world and rapture date setting.

every time i bring this up to hard core born agains they always say "but those born agains are not apart of my church.

" but in the very next breath they will claim that jesus has "one" church and one body of christ exist.

NeonMadman

In regard to your statement that "the Catholic church set the date for the year 1000 AD believing the Satan would be destroyed and that Armaggeddon had to come in that year," I would again have to ask for citations of official Roman Catholic sources that said this. The fact that a rumor may have been going around does not make the church itself responsible any more than the whole JW organization would be responsible for some weird remark made by a random JW at the door. If there was an ex cathedra statement by the pope, or a document from the Magisterium, that would be a different matter. Not that I am defending the Catholic church, I just feel that you are playing a bit loose with church history.