Posts by NeonMadman

19

Hello Bethel! Are You Listening? Wake Up!

by Room 215 in

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friends

hello bethel,.

by now it's clear to all observers that the organization is running out of steam, especially in the developned nations, and no amount of hyped-up propaganda about ``quick-build'' kingdom halls, standing up to the nazis, lifetime experiences of pioneers, etc., etc.

can rectify.. what's needed urgently:.

NeonMadman

to Nytelecom1

In the company I work for, anything having to do with sales is routed to me because I am the Sales Manager; everybody who is in a position to handle correspondence knows that. It sounds to me like you're saying that the Society has become such an inefficient tangle of bureaucracy that they can't even route a communication internally to the department that ought to be concerned with it. Or is it just that you enjoy picking nits?

Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan

76

Years in v. Years Out

by Billygoat in

jw
friends

i'd like to find out how many years collectively we have acquired in the wts.

please list how many years you were/have been a jw.

please also list how many years you have been out.

NeonMadman

In: 1969-2000 (31 years)
Out: Still technically in, but completely disaffiliated mentally: 1 year

Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan

60

Ridiculous trips to the 'back room'

by Esmeralda in

jw
friends

the posts in the elders meeting thread got me thinking about this, so i've spun it off for into another thread.. were you ever 'counseled' because "some" in the congregation were disturbed by things you said/did/listened to/watched?.

here is just some of the stupid stuff that the elders brought me in on.

though they were usually handled through shepherding calls, not in the back room at the kh.. 1: because i decided to change my first and middle names.

NeonMadman

I got it once at a quick build for wearing a t-shirt with a nike logo on it.
The brothers made me put duct tape over the logo.

Let's see; you're doing construction work for them FOR FREE, and they're telling you what you can and can't wear? I think, even as a JW, my response might have been to get into my car and drive away.

But then again, we didn't think like that then, did we?

Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan

1

JW Relief - Houston

by eby in

jw
friends

have you checked out this site?

anyone know how this really works?.

eby

NeonMadman

Looks like the JWs blowing a horn ahead of them before they do their good works again. Note on the link that discusses the magnitude of the work, all the statistics relate to their members and their congregations.

Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan

21

Hot Gossip: JW Lies Re Murder Attempt in WSM

by Englishman in

jw
friends

just a bit of background first: my pal ray works as a barman in a nearby village social club.

sometimes he enjoys a pint in my pub, and sometimes talks with my estranged pal, dub-in-the-pub.

some years ago he married lucy, a vivacious middle-aged lady with something of a reputation.

NeonMadman

Hmmm...she sounds a lot like my JW ex...who had a lot to do with me becoming an ex JW :)

Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan

60

Ridiculous trips to the 'back room'

by Esmeralda in

jw
friends

the posts in the elders meeting thread got me thinking about this, so i've spun it off for into another thread.. were you ever 'counseled' because "some" in the congregation were disturbed by things you said/did/listened to/watched?.

here is just some of the stupid stuff that the elders brought me in on.

though they were usually handled through shepherding calls, not in the back room at the kh.. 1: because i decided to change my first and middle names.

NeonMadman

We used to call the back room, the beating room instead of the meeting room.

We used to call it the "rubber room" :)

Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan

60

Ridiculous trips to the 'back room'

by Esmeralda in

jw
friends

the posts in the elders meeting thread got me thinking about this, so i've spun it off for into another thread.. were you ever 'counseled' because "some" in the congregation were disturbed by things you said/did/listened to/watched?.

here is just some of the stupid stuff that the elders brought me in on.

though they were usually handled through shepherding calls, not in the back room at the kh.. 1: because i decided to change my first and middle names.

NeonMadman

I was turned down as a regular pioneer in 1969 because I read comic books and listened to Beatles music.

Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan

28

Shunning via Rumor

by NeonMadman in

jw
friends

well, i went back to the area of my old congregation yesterday.

my daughter's best friend amanda was getting married, and despite my trepidation, amanda had begged me to show up and to dance a dance with her.

my trepidation was twofold; first, my ex-wife was going to be there, and after our messy divorce only six months ago, i had no desire to be anywhere where she was.

NeonMadman

To Yerusalyim:

Unfortunately, I live in the socialist republic of Connecticut, where alimony is virtually automatic as long as the man makes more money than the woman (women virtually never get hit with alimony, regardless of income). The courts make no bones about the fact that the sole intent of alimony is to equalize income, and circumstances are rarely brought into the equation. The judge basically looks at two numbers, the man's earnings and the woman's earnings (the judge may at times consider living expenses as well), and whatever number is needed to make the two of them equal is what the guy pays. In my ex-wife's case, she was working three days a week as a waitress and understating her cash tips. It wouldn't have been an issue that she could have worked full time, or that maybe she was making more in tips than she claimed - the burden of proof for the latter would have been on me, and she would have claimed that she could only work three days because her back hurts. Guess what; so does mine, but I work every day anyway.

Connecticut's socialism shows through in other ways, too. Unemployment compensation is distributed almost automatically, without regard to the manner in which one leaves a job. In theory, one who quits is not entitled to benefits, nor is one fired for misconduct. But, in practice, employers never win hearings unless the claimant fails to appear. A friend of mine is a manager for a linen supply company, who fired a delivery driver for stealing cash off his route. When the driver applied for unemployment benefits, the hearing officer decided that stealing cash was "poor judgment," not misconduct, and awarded benefits.

And, of course, if you're a professional welfare recipient, it's well known that Connecticut is one of the best places to be...

I am SO glad to be moving out of this left-wing, socialistic nightmare of a state when I get married this Sunday!

And, by the way, having your cousin Guido pay her a visit probably would have been cheaper, even this close to NYC where (I understand) the rates are high!!

Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan

24

How Do OLD AGE JWs Feel?

by ballistic in

jw
friends

i just want to know if jws that have been in the "truth" all their lives, having given all for the "kingdom" die in peace or whether in the autumn and winters of their lives, they are stung by nagging intrusive thoughts... "i have given my whole life to this organisation and where is the new system?".

i ask because these people were taught they were in "the last days" when they grew up many decades or even a century ago.

how can someone go that long believeing it was going to be tommorrow?

NeonMadman

If Fred had read Ray Franz' book, or the testimonies of scores of former JW's on the net who have been abused by the organization, he would know that it is the Watchtower organization that is very prominent in 'beating its brothers,' and not the other way around. If we are to understand Jesus remarks at the end of Matthew 24 in the way the Watchtower interprets it (i.e., the 'slaves' representing classes of JW's), it becomes very obvious from the facts of history that the true "evil slave" resides in Brooklyn, and Patterson, and Walkill.

Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan

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Donations to the WTS are compulsory?

by ozziepost in

jw
friends

the latest issue of the watchtower carries this statement:.

"because of the poor economic conditions in some parts of the world, many struggle to provide the bare necessities of life for their families............ many of our christian brothers and sisters are in that situation.

without help from fellow believers, they simply could not afford such things as christian publications or suitable kingdom halls.

NeonMadman

My understanding is that the donation arrangement only exists in more affluent parts of the world, where people are more likely to be able to donate. In poorer countries, the literature still carries a specific "contribution" amount (i.e., a price) just as it did in the USA before the donation arrangement started.

Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan