well folks, this is big news!.
since this un/wt scandal blew, there have been those who strongly suspected that this association was not the whole picture.. the un's reach is worldwide in scope, it goes without saying.
and in order for the wt to use the un for that worldwide clout, an alliance had to be formed that goes way beyond the use of the un library, it now appears.
The "Interfaith Center of New York" puts a link to the WTS web site on their pages. Anyone can do that, even the Satanistic Swine-Sacrificing Sect of Fodeja the Great, without asking the WTS for permission.
So does anyone have a link to the Satanistic Swine-Sacrificing Sect of Fodeja the Great?
Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan
i just remembered this yesterday.. a newly appointed m.s.
was assigned the bathroom detail at a circuit assembly in natick.. well, he naturally asssigned most of the bros to the mens rooms and the sis to the womens room.. well in the women's room they have those "special" items in case of emergencies and the little wax paper bags, i think.. now the trash bags were transparent, pretty much, and the sisters are taking care of throwing these used items in the bags so they could be carried out back to the compacter.
right through down the center of the lunch room.
A newly appointed M.S. was assigned the bathroom detail at a circuit ASSembly in Natick.
Hey, I was assigned to Natick for years and years!! Do I know you?
Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan
at which table are you feeding?.
you cannot be partaking of the table of jehovah and the table of demons.1 corinthians 10:21.. these inspired words of the apostle paul show that two figurative tables are set before mankind.
each table is identified by the kind of symbolic food placed upon it, and all of us are eating at one or the other.
The table of demons includes all demonic propaganda, which is designed to mislead and to turn us away from Jehovah.
Which would certainly have to include the lies, false prophecies, hatred and propaganda spewed out by the Watchtower Society throughout its history.
Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan
happy holidays everyone!
hope this season has been good for and to you!
some of us thought it might be fun to have a "get-together"...haha...before the end of the year got here.
No one....parties...in....Jersey....{sniff}
Hey, I'm in Jersey...
And I thought someone was getting a party together? Just been waiting to hear...
Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan
it seems that a disproportionate percentage of us were involved in the fulltime service at some point.. does this have something to do with us being exes?.
take care.
joel (7 months bethelite, 2 years pioneer)
Actually, I think if you went into a typical JW congregation, you'd find that most of the active ones in the congregation had, at some time in their lives, served in a 'special' position, like pioneer, ministerial servant, etc., even though they may not be doing so right now. So, it comes as no surprise to me that the majority of ex-jw's likewise have such background.
Although I do give some credence to the theory that the most devoted and hardest working are also likely to become the most disillusioned when they become aware of the facts.
Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan
how is it that a woman can look at another woman and say, "wow!
" and nobody thinks a thing about it.
but when a man looks at another man and says, "wow!
How about this double standard:
If a Catholic husband leaves his wife because she's becoming a Jehovah's Witness, she's being persecuted.
If a Jehovah's Witness wife leaves her husband because he's no longer able to conscientiously be part of the JW's, she's guarding her spirituality.
Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan
hey guys,.
the family and i just got back from seeing the movie.
those of you who read the books will not be disappointed!
There is a couple with whom I have been friends for over 30 years, and we have a long-standing tradition of chinese restaurant and a movie on Christmas Day. They are JW's, but are very disillusioned with the Society, and I, of course, am out. Unlike most JW's though, they are true friends, in that they value their relationship with me enough not to let Watchtower rules interfere. Anyway, we have decided to maintain the tradition, even though I am celebrating Christmas this year. My wife's family usually has their gift exchange on another day, and we can do whatever we do on Christmas eve here at home. On Christmas Day, my wife and I will drive the 3 hours to see my friends, have Chinese dinner and see "Lord of the Rings". And we are all looking forward to it enormously.
Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan
i was thinking about the responsibility that christianity puts on believers to convert others.
does god hold his worshipers responsibile to get other worshipers, especially when this brings persecution and death in many instances?
doesn't god consider his worshipers worth a little help in this world?
Yadirf;
Please provide scriptural proof of the following statements you make:
The foremost purpose in the "good news" being declared is to find those who qualify to rule with Christ during his 1000-year-long administration.
Since Jesus' time, during the "Christian" era, the concern is with producing the full complement of those who will make up and administration in association with Jesus, the full number being 144,000.
during such search there are many found who can't meet the high standards required to qualify for being chosen as one of the "anointed", but yet have a love for God.
Those of this category whom are still alive when Armageddon strikes will pass over into the new system of things as the "great crowd" of Revelation 7:9, 13-14.
Because all the 144,000 haven't been found yet the search goes on, and will go on right up into the day of the upcoming 8th King of Bible prophecy.I contend that all of the above are nothing more than Watchtower dogma that you are parrotting; there is not the least support in scripture for any of those statements.
Last time that I quoted your spouting of Watchtower dogma and requested that you defend it with scripture (that would be in this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=17451&site=3), you did not respond. I suspect that this time will be no different, since your statements are scripturally indefensible.
Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan
i've come upon a rather perplexing problem .
my wife, who became a jw after we married, recently decided to help me to understand how i am actually worshipping christmas and thus all sorts of terrible false gods.. this caught me so off guard i was unable to mount a good defense.
we just ended up fighting.. her case is the following:.
I think what you have to do with her is make her stick to the Bible for every assertion that she makes. After all, she claims that what she says is "scriptural", right? So ask her to show you the scriptures to back up everything she asserts. For example, where does the Bible say that it is wrong to celebrate a traditional day if the origins are in some sort of pagan worship? "Pagan" is such a buzzword among JW's that they just automatically assume that anything the least bit "pagan" is somehow of the devil and to be avoided completely. But the Bible doesn't make that distinction, except for the Old Testament Israelites actually engaging in worship of gods other than YHWH. By celebrating Christmas, your intent is to worship the God of the Bible, not pagan gods. The mere fact that some of the trappings originated in pagan lands is irrelevant. As the Watchtower of 1972, p.63 said regarding wedding rings,
Really, the question is not so much whether wedding rings were first used by pagans but whether they were originally used as part of false religious practices and still retain such religious significance [emphasis theirs].Surely no one would argue today that Christmas still retains its pagan significance; its customs have been adapted to honor Christ.
Next, you might ask her to scripturally support her contentions that celebrating Christmas is the same as worshipping it, and that such 'worshipping' of Christmas is equivalent to worshipping Satan. She will come up dry on both accounts.
As your coup de grace, refer her to Romans 14.
4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8 If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.So, at this point, she will have only the human reasoning of the Watchtower to bolster her argument, while you will have scripture that specifically states that what days you celebrate are between you and the Lord. The Watchtower response to this scripture is to say that Paul was talking only about the Jewish feast days, but the scripture does not say that; it merely states a general principle without limiting it. Additionally, those who assert this must then accept that it would be scripturally acceptable for Jehovah's Witnesses today to celebrate the feast of Tabernacles, feast of Trumpets, Passover, Sabbath, etc. if they wished, or even the feast of Dedication (Hanukkah), which was apparently celebrated by Jesus! John 6:22,23 shows that Jesus was at the temple at the time of the celebration. What do you suppose would happen to a JW today who instituted such celebrations in his family?
When dealing with JW's, you need to separate scripture from Watchtower reasoning, which is really just opinion. If you do that very carefully, most of their arguments fall apart rather quickly.
Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan
although we've been inactive for a couple of years now this is the first christmas we've celebrated.
while we know we may get dfed for putting one up we really don't care.. today while decorating the tree my wife is the happiest i've seen her in years.
she's singing downstairs and you just can't wipe that grin off her face.
It's my first Christmas since 1968, and also my first Christmas with my new wife, whom I married on Oct. 7th. We set up the tree on Sunday, but haven't decorated it yet; really looking forward to that. Gonna be a Christmas to remember.
Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan
