Posts by NeonMadman

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Could we be violating the rights of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

by Terry in

http://www.cesnur.org/2005/pa_brown.htm.

cesnur.

jehovah's witnesses and the anti-cult movement: a human rights perspectivejohn b. brown, ii (social educator, tucson, arizona)human rights issues and religious freedomthe issues created by anticult fervor can be recapitulated in the following points.

NeonMadman

If criticizing their beliefs is a violation of their human rights, why are they not being condemned for violating the rights of people of every other religion out there that they condemn on an ongoing basis?

The article speaks of the "anti-cult movement" as if it was a single unified body, like the JWs are. I wonder who planted that idea? JWs themselves are the only ones I know of who think that everyone who leaves their group automatically joins the official apostate organization. Different counter-cult groups operate in different ways. As others have said, I would condemn the kidnapping and deprogramming model, but surely using persuasion is not violating anyone's rights? If it is, then every person who has a JW knock on his/her door is having his/her rights violated. I don't know of any counter-cult groups who go around knocking on doors to tell the people who live there that their religion is wrong.

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"Community" tv show--the jw episode

by rebel8 in

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/12-things-troy-wouldn-t-do-community-actually-jehovah-witness-37613.html.

did you see this?

i searched to see if anyone had commented on it yet but couldn't find any.. i'm watching it now..

NeonMadman

I've been commenting left and right on that page. JW's keep coming in to say that the article (and subsequent posts by non-JWs) are full of misinformation and lies, but not one of them has mentioned even one specific false statement. I keep challenging, but they run and hide. One guy tried to respond to that list of 55 things about JWs, but I pretty much took apart his arguments. Interesting experience. It makes me realize how incapable the average JW today is of defending his beliefs and how mind-controlled they really are, to the point where calling any negative info about the organization a lie is just a mindless knee-jerk reaction.

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12 Things Troy Wouldn't Do On Community If Actually A Jehovah's Witness

by lohengren in

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friends

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/12-things-troy-wouldn-t-do-community-actually-jehovah-witness-37613.html#disqus_thread.

interesting article about a character on the show "community" that is apparently a jw.

also there are a ton of apologists in the comments section.

NeonMadman

I've never seen the show, but I'm happy to jump into that thread to expose some of the JW propaganda.

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Do you know anybody that got reinstated really fast after being df'd?

by Iamallcool in

i was reading one of the posts here that 15 year old was df'd but he got reinstated in 5 months.

do you know of any case that someone got reinstated pretty fast after being df'd?.

NeonMadman

I knew an elder's daughter who got into some hanky-panky with a newer brother. Both were reproved. Her restrictions were removed after a month; his lasted almost a year.

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What is the stupidest comment you ever heard at a meeting?

by 3rdgen in

a very reliable friend told me this: the bro was commenting on what was "unacceptable" conduct in the bedroom between married persons.

needless to say, he had everyone's attention.

he went on to say "we must avoid perversions such as oral and annual sex.

NeonMadman

"An open mind is like an open sewer, you get all kinds of garbage in there."

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Popularity Contest Winner!

by Voices in

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oh god...this is going to piss everyone off..i swear this is the last time i'm gonna talk about this.. .

outlaw voted: kfc/beer/my humour and... .

88% of the world population was voted in by outlaw .....disqualified due to multiple votes for individual person in a generalized population as 1 vote does not count...plus 88% of the world isn't popular.. voices 3 (pitty votes really xd).

NeonMadman

LOL, thanks, Grace!

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Were the IBSA the FDS in 1919?

by Vanderhoven7 in

were the ibsa the fds in 1919?.

in 1919 the organization that claims appointment was known as the international bible student association (ibsa).

witnesses have since claimed a "cleansing" that lasted into the early 30s.

NeonMadman

IBSA was not a schism group. It was one of Russell's corporations, and was retained by the WTS at least into the 1990s. It was never a different group, just one of the corporations used by the WTS in different countries.

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Is it okay for JW to attend college with religious affliations?

by Iamallcool in

i know they discourage attending college, but if someone attended college with religious affliations?

is that a judicial matter?

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NeonMadman

I suspect it would be. One of the definitions of apostasy in the elders' manual is "Continuing in employment that makes one an accomplice to or a promoter of false worship." This would probably be applied if someone took a job as an employee of a church or church-owned institution, so it's hard to see how they wouldn't apply the same principle in a case where someone became a student at a religious college. However, it might make a difference whether the student was there to study religion or was just enrolling there because it was a good college for studies in a "secular" field (if one enrolled to study accounting at Wheaton, for example). We were sometimes told that if you needed to buy a product that could best reasonably be obtained from a church-affiliated source, it would be a conscience matter, if there was no alternate source that could provide the same product or service under comparable terms. However, if you enrolled in the Biblical Studies program with Moody Bible Institute, I'm pretty sure you would have a problem. And, in any event, a lot depends on the particular body of elders involved. Some might be more restrictive than others.

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Were the IBSA the FDS in 1919?

by Vanderhoven7 in

were the ibsa the fds in 1919?.

in 1919 the organization that claims appointment was known as the international bible student association (ibsa).

witnesses have since claimed a "cleansing" that lasted into the early 30s.

NeonMadman

The IBSA is (or was until recently) still Watchtower-affiliated. The groups that left the WTS took other names, like "Associated Bible Students," "Dawn Bible Students," "Pastoral Bible Institute," etc.; and then there were the followers of Paul S.L. Johnson, who became the "Laymen's Home Missionary Movement." So from the JW POV, the IBSA was and, as far as I know, is still affiliated with the F&DS. Look on the publisher's page of any but their most recent books and the IBSA is listed right under the WTS (I just looked at the Proclaimers book and it's there, at least as of 1993 when that was published). The most recent books lack the IBSA designation, so I'm not sure if maybe they deep-sixed that corporation during the 2000 reshuffle.

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Popularity Contest Winner!

by Voices in

jw
friends

oh god...this is going to piss everyone off..i swear this is the last time i'm gonna talk about this.. .

outlaw voted: kfc/beer/my humour and... .

88% of the world population was voted in by outlaw .....disqualified due to multiple votes for individual person in a generalized population as 1 vote does not count...plus 88% of the world isn't popular.. voices 3 (pitty votes really xd).

NeonMadman

Somebody voted for me?