does anyone have the article written by the wt saying that the end would come in 1975?.
how did people back then come to this year?
i need this information becuase i was told, this was never literally written by the wt in any publication.. thanks.
yes in a while when i can use the computer.
i could do with a few extra zeros one of the houses i lived in as a child is worth almost a million pounds now but my father sold it and rented many years ago as the end was so close and he wanted to more as a witness. That would have been my inheritance. No education no pension no inheritance. I need those zeros
does anyone have the article written by the wt saying that the end would come in 1975?.
how did people back then come to this year?
i need this information becuase i was told, this was never literally written by the wt in any publication.. thanks.
on the balance in my bank account
does anyone have the article written by the wt saying that the end would come in 1975?.
how did people back then come to this year?
i need this information becuase i was told, this was never literally written by the wt in any publication.. thanks.
In 1974 the book Gods Eternal Purpose Now Triumphing For Mans Good gave the date of 526 BCE as the beginning of the morning of the seventh creative day
i have a genuine question for the jw apologist.
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what is your scriptural justification for your unquestioning obedience to the governing body and your unwillingness to question their intepretation of scripture?.
In the front of the book Jehovahs's Witnesses In the Divine Purpose (1958 WTB&TS of Pennsylvania) it has a list of dates beginning with 1870 when C T Russell begins studying the bible with a small group and ends with the date 1919 the release of the Society's officers from prison.
I believe 1919 is the date that is given as the date that 'From atop this celestial chariotlike organization Jehovah commissioned this dedicated, baptised , anointed class of servants to speak to all the nations in His name. Thus like Ezekiel , they became Jehovah's witnesses.' (Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah-How? 1971 WTB&TS) and you have the faithful and discreet slave from this date.
The next date listed in the front of the Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose is 1877 the date the book Three Worlds was published and 1914 was identified as being the end of the gentile times.
In the Watchtower October 1 1983 page 4. It says.
'What do you mean by spiritual paradise? you ask. Put simply; An organization of Christians who have made over their personalities to conform to God's requirments and who are united in his true worship may be said to be in a spiritual paradise.'
As they have never changed the date of the end of the gentile times since 1877 and since 1919 the organzation of Jehovah's Witnesses has grown to what it is today in what has been identified by the witnesses as the last days in fulfillment of Isaiah 2:2-4
'It must occur in the final part of the days that the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the hills and to it all the nations must stream. (NWT)
Then I would present this as my basis for obedience to the GB.
( just thought i'd flesh out my earlier post)
i have a genuine question for the jw apologist.
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what is your scriptural justification for your unquestioning obedience to the governing body and your unwillingness to question their intepretation of scripture?.
I think the spiritual paradise would be the evidence I would give after they said 1914 would be the end of the gentile times as people are streaming to the mountain of Jehovah due to the preaching work they were commissioned todo shortly after the gentile times ended.
quite a few here on jwn seem to have grown and developed in leaps and bounds, sometimes beyond their wildest dreams.. others seem to still be struggling.. what do you think makes it possible to flourish?.
the degree to which our mind has been liberated from watchtower thinking?.
if so, this seems to happen in many different ways, so what is the secret?.
i don't know any exJW's enough to know whether they are flourishing or not and some people may have different veiws as to what flourishing is.
i have posted before about my experience trying to get on the "do not call" list.
despite repeated requests, a phone call to the hall and mailing a letter, and then giving a copy to a jw, they just keep coming by.
i was going to put up a no soliciting sign, then i can call the police on them, but my husband doesn't want me to do it.. so, i decided if they come back i would have some fun.
i thought maybe i was on the do not call list as i hadn't seen anyone or heard anyone at the door in quite a long time.
at one point i had an elder calling on me regularly with his wife and i think i was a route call. near to the time he stopped calling i could pinpoint which saturday he would call on me. he must have called for a couple of years and i quite enjoyed his visits. i had stopped attending for about 7 or 8 years when he first started to call. by the end i was becoming a little irritated by the mechanical shall we say way that the call was. i could predict when he would come. he would always give me the magazines and point out an article and so on the last visit we had a discussion about the trinity and a few other things and i was surprised at myself. i had always felt things like the trinity bored me to death most biblical things did and i could never see much in the trinity. i think the expression the scales fell from my eyes would be appropriate. i was surprised how he viewed Jesus in relation to John 1. Maybe i wasn't paying attention at the hall all those years i went, could be i was to busy counting the ceiling tiles. Anyway he left a bit irritated i thought and never returned and nor did anyone else. I went to the hall after that and made and effort to talk to him which isn't me at all but it felt different not so warm.
the good thing about knowing when the elder would call was that i could prepare myself mentally i sort of need to. recently i have had a visit this is some years later and although the conversation starts out fine i'm relaxed and we talk about general things soon the conversation turns to the 'truth' and i change. i googled it and i'm pretty sure it's a panic attack. i've had other panic attacks according to my doctor but they were very different and came in the middle of the night and were a real battle and so i didn't think this was but i'm sure it is. they want to come back. infact i sort of invited them but now i'm not so sure. there is a part of me that really wants to talk with them but i need to not have a panic attack it really ruins my day.
you maintained a level of personal decency and integrity that you almost certainly would not have had if you had chosen another direction.. sure, you would have had some very "colorful" friends and experiences if you had gone another way, but you still chose the more "edgy" people in the congregation as your friends and you still enjoyed yourself, even if there were a lot of phony constraints.. you looked for ways to be of value to others.
don't stop doing that!.
you kept the darker side of your personality in check.
They made promises. I lived up to my end of the deal; they didn’t. Magnum
yeah
so i pose this question to everyone.
if you were a jw and lived in germany in wwii, how would you deal with the harsh cruelity of hitler?
would you join his side so you may have a chance to live (meaning you'd serve in the miliatry and be on the front line) or would you keep on serving god and be executed?
if you were a JW and lived in Germany in WWII, how would you deal with the harsh cruelity of hitler? Would you join his side so you may have a chance to live (meaning you'd serve in the miliatry and be on the front line) or would you keep on serving God and be executed?
No i don't think i would have joined not as a JW. I knew a JW in this country who was imprisioned in the war for being neutral and i would assume it was the same in Germany.
they key to free yourself from the organization is having mental clarity of what is happening in relation to the watchtower, inside and out.
their basic concept is that they are god's sole organization on earth.
there really is no basis for anyone to make that statement.
i know why i left but i don't think it would make anyone else leave. plus the timing was right
