The Watchtower I quoted from was Watchtower 1961 page 591 'Prophesying with the Loyal Organization'
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Every Governing Body Decision is from Jehovah
by B4Right inhow do you convince a jw that every decision that comes from the governing body is not from god?.
my mom who is a pioneer said that the students are getting their work book a month early, then proceeded to say " jehovah knows what we need".. for you who now know ttat what did it take for you?.
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Every Governing Body Decision is from Jehovah
by B4Right inhow do you convince a jw that every decision that comes from the governing body is not from god?.
my mom who is a pioneer said that the students are getting their work book a month early, then proceeded to say " jehovah knows what we need".. for you who now know ttat what did it take for you?.
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Ucantnome
When my parents became Jehovah's Witnesses I think they accepted that we were living in the last days the sign of Christ's presence had been seen. They accepted that the Kingdom was established in 1914. I remember as a child we studied the 'Paradise book' and there is, I believe, an illustration of a baby taken up to heaven. I think I was asked about the picture and I got it wrong. It was the birth of the kingdom.
In accepting the 'good news' my parents I believe also accepted that the only ones preaching the end of the 'gentile times' were Jehovah's Witnesses particularly the remnant of the anointed ones. These I believe they, and later myself, accepted as the faithful and discreet slave class.
The book published in 1959 'Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose' tells you on page 37 that Russell believed that Jesus became invisibly present in 1874 among other things. I think they were at least somewhat aware of past things that the witnesses had said and or taught.
In the early days of them being Witnesses and my upbringing the Watchtower had this to say (I also quoted it on another thread)
'That organization for which we must look is the one that gives the proof of having God's spirit poured out upon it in these "last days" by doing the foretold prophesying, the 'preaching of this good news of God's kingdom in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations....The record points to the anointed remnant of Jehovah's Christian Witnesses.'
When they were baptised I believe that they accepted this. The same article also said this
'The spirit of the God of truth can be expected to cause a purification of the things that are preached by God's approved loyal organization. His spirit would not allow for anyone to prophesy falsehood, the preaching of lies and errors under the cloak of religion.'
I think they also accepted this. That God's approved loyal organization can expect to be purified by the spirit of truth. Changes could be made.
I don't think changes would have made them not believe that Jehovah's Witnesses were not the anointed or that they had been commissioned to do the preaching.
I think in accepting that we were in the last days, and also when my parents became witnesses the belief was that the great tribulation had started in 1914, I think we were in a different time period.
Every Governing Body Decision is from Jehovah
Maybe if it is accepted that the Governing Body is appointed as part of the anointed then in a way it is true as we don't fully understand God or his ways like why he permits wickedness or how he has always been we may not understand why he permits a decision or not.
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The end
by Garrett inoh...my...god.... i can't.. well, i am officially done trying to explain things to them.
they talk in circles, and their excuse for everything is "imperfect men".
imperfect men!.
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Ucantnome
Them: we need to obey those that take the lead among us and trust them. They are appointed by jehovah
In my opinion a person has to be convinced of the appointment or else they could be a hypocrite and I don't think they would want to encourage hypocrisy.
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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...
by cofty in... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.
it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.
they take pride in obedience.
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Ucantnome
a little while before I left the 'truth' a brother knocked at my door to discuss a Watchtower article that he feel they were scripturally wrong about something.
my view was that it didn't matter as they were the 'anointed' and was evidenced by their preaching work of the establishment of God's Kingdom. However interesting the matter was I would wait on Jehovah to sort it out if they were wrong if it wasn't sorted he didn't mind. I would view this in the same manner.
I think some would reason may differently from me
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Calling all lovers of Jehovahs and His Christ
by vinman ini must say that i have always loved jehovah and his son jesus christ.
i have a 12 inch diameter telescope.
i would go outside and listen to the psalms that praised to my god.
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Ucantnome
How are you dealing with discovering TTATT?
It's quite a few years since I stopped attending meetings and going out in the field service and I find it difficult to remember all of the feelings that I had at the time. It took some time to leave, and at first I didn't intend to and I think it made me ill for a while some time later. I prayed a lot. Although I was regular in my prayers I felt a need to pray more at this time and looking back on it, it wasn't as bad as it could have been.
I must say that I have always loved Jehovah and His son Jesus Christ.
I feel similar. I was raised in the truth and never thought I would leave. However I came to a point that I could not join in the preaching/ witnessing work with a good conscience. I was never an organization sort of person. Romans 8:37,38 I find encouraging. As time has gone by I have found more clarity in my views and thoughts and more peace of mind.
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Supernatural Tony......the 3rd
by snare&racket ini realised something today.... we all happily accepted something really ridiculous.....something that if worded how i will word it now, we would have rejected as ridiculous, but after a moments thought, would have to concede.. we once followed the governing body because we believed they had supernatural powers.
how ridiculous you may say, no we didn't!
of or relating to things that cannot be explained according to natural laws.
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Ucantnome
11 hours ago
Mad Irishman
I was raise a witness and I was never taught anyone on the Governing Body had any special powers. If you thought that well that's on you my friend.
Special powers sounds like something out of a comic book. I don't think that I thought they had special powers like that. Although I understand that when the holy spirit was poured out in 33 A.D. they started speaking in different tongues which seems like a special power.
My parents came into the truth in the late 1950's and in the Watchtower of 1961 shortly after they were baptised on page 591 there is an article 'Prophesying with the Loyal Organization' and it talks about the pouring out of the holy spirit and the fulfilment of Joel 2:28-32 'and your sons and daughters will certainly prophesy.' On page 595 it says,
'That organization for which we must look is the one that gives the proof of having God's spirit poured out upon it in these "last days" by doing the foretold prophesying, the 'preaching of this good news of God's kingdom in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations....The record points to the anointed remnant of Jehovah's Christian Witnesses.'
A little further on it says
'The spirit of the God of truth can be expected to cause a purification of the things that are preached by God's approved loyal organization. His spirit would not allow for anyone to prophesy falsehood, the preaching of lies and errors under the cloak of religion.'
I can remember my mother saying how wonderful she felt that we would never grow old and die and as a child I remember my father discussing the last days and the time of the end in the field service and the point that '...the world of unbelieving mankind itself, are to pass away within the lifetime of the generation that saw World War I'(WT 68 pg 43)
My fathers father fought in the first world war and lived a long life and died over 40 years ago and my father died as well living to about the national life expectancy.
So in my view having the holy spirit is sort of a special power.
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Why attack?
by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.
i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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Ucantnome
'And no wonder. What good news they have to tell the people! They proclaim the good news that the millennial rule of Christ will begin with this generation and that it will mean ever so many blessings for the people :..'
this gospel truth was influential I think in decisions that I made regarding education in the 1960. The book Man's Salvation Out of World Distress At Hand 1975 Watchtower Bible and Tract Society says,
Page 48.
A similar thing can be said today. "They did not all obey the good news." This, even after the christian witnesses of Jehovah have spent more than sixty years in proclaiming the the "times of the Gentiles" ended in the autumn of 1914 C.E. amis the first world war and that then Jehovah's "servant " recieved a new elevation by being exalted to the throne of the Messianic kingdom...
In the face of the relatively small proportion of the world's population that has put faith in the "thing Heard [from] us" or proclaimed by us, it can truthfully be said: "They did not all obey the good news."
It talks about putting faith in good news that is preached and faith without works as you know is dead. So it would seem to me that having such little time left and faith being the assured expectation of the things hoped for, I think. It would mean to me that the good news could be called into disrepute if it was not true regarding something we preach,So I was confident the end would come within the generation as the Watchtower stated and I don't need higher or further education
Maybe may reasoning on this was/is faulty WheninDoubt what do you think?
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Why attack?
by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.
i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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Ucantnome
If there was unrest in the colleges in the late 60’s let’s say in America, they would urge their members on the dangers of going into college due to those circumstances. Did that stop JW’s from attending college, to those that could compartmentalize, did?
this is an interesting thought. I found that the nearness of the end within the lifetime of the generation that saw World War 1 to be a factor, of course 50 years later that is different.
Watchtower June 1 1968 page 331
On the Joyful March to Mankind’s Millennium
'Arguing against a literal future millennial rule by Christ, some have claimed that such a teaching would chill the missionary ardour of Christians to make disciples of all nations. (Matt. 28:19,20) But not so! Today no people are more zealous in carrying out this missionary commission than are the Christian witnesses of Jehovah, who believe that the 1,000-year reign of Christ is literal and future. In comparatively few years these have grown to more than a million. Today they are carrying out this commission in 197 lands and islands of the sea and that in 169 languages. Last year they devoted 184 million hours to this work!
And no wonder. What good news they have to tell the people! They proclaim the good news that the millennial rule of Christ will begin with this generation and that it will mean ever so many blessings for the people :..'
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Why attack?
by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.
i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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Ucantnome
Why attack?
i post on this site but I don't consider what I post an attack.
I have had discussions with elders over the years and need to defend my views. They call at my house. I sometimes meet witnesses that I know and have been questioned why I left. I know some witnesses now through work that I have had discussion about things like 1975 the generation etc. who were there but didn't know some things that were said or written and how decisions based on such things have not been good.
I think this is a place to discuss things if you feel you want to and I have found some clarity of thought regarding the witnesses since I have been posting.
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If The Witnesses Try To Get You Back To Jehovah...How Will You Respond!
by minimus ini am most curious.
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Ucantnome
It depends if they bring donuts or not