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  If Watchtower can use a non-sequitur to say that Jesus now knows the day and the hour, despite Matthew 24:36 ....

  by Island Man in

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  ... where's the good sense preventing them from again making a date prediction for the end and using a non-sequitur to justify their claim in the face of matthew 24:36?

  "... but christ has been empowered in heaven to wage war against satan's world.

  (rev 19:11-16) thus, it is reasonable to conclude that jesus now knows when armageddon will occur...." - watchtower july 2016, page 14, par.

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  Ucantnome

  Jan do you think Christ will only know after the event has started?
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  What do you think would have happened to you if...

  by LevelThePlayingField in

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  2. beliefs

  you found out about ttatt way back in the 70's or maybe the 80's (basically before the internet) and you thought that you were all alone in this knowledge?

  what do you think would have happened to you?

  no jehovahs-witness.com, no john cedars, no arc, no jwfacts.com and no crisis of conscience to fall back on.

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  Ucantnome

  My leaving had nothing to do with the internet as I didn't have it or Crisis of Conscience that I read after or other ex-witnesses. I only read the bible and witness literature.
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  If Watchtower can use a non-sequitur to say that Jesus now knows the day and the hour, despite Matthew 24:36 ....

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ... where's the good sense preventing them from again making a date prediction for the end and using a non-sequitur to justify their claim in the face of matthew 24:36?

  "... but christ has been empowered in heaven to wage war against satan's world.

  (rev 19:11-16) thus, it is reasonable to conclude that jesus now knows when armageddon will occur...." - watchtower july 2016, page 14, par.

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  Ucantnome

  I understand that the resurrection of Christ was good news and was preached about in the first century and that the Jewish people saw time as a progression of ages.

  The resurrection of Christ was a new epoch a new age I think. As the preaching of the good news by JW is a further progression, into the parousia, which I believe is like a royal visit. I would think that it would be normal to conclude that the King would know the length of his visit.

  Matthew 24:36 being before the resurrection of Christ
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  How successful are others at getting ex-dubs together?

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for my first shunniversary i reached out to the local ex-dubs that i know.

  i invited 11 total to join me in a little get together at a local restaurant, then back to my house to hang out.

  one friend asked if he could invite others, and i encouraged him, and all, to do so.

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  Ucantnome

  It was very disappointing and reminded me of my days inside the Borganization where I could never get anyone to do anything with me.

  
  

  When I was in my mid-twenties I left a congregation that I had been part of for 4 years. I was a regular publisher and had good meeting attendance on the School, giving a few bible reading, answering in the meetings etc. I wasn't marked or anything. There had been quite a few get-togethers and weddings and picnics that I had attended and had dated a couple of sisters in the congregation that hadn't worked out and another one was interested in going out.

  One of my friends had a leaving, going away party for me and invited everyone in the congregation. He provided plenty of food and drink but no one came. It was just me and him my brother and one of his. Even my other friend his brother didn't come.

  i often found at Witness parties it was difficult and I hated walking in. One I when to I stopped at a bar on the way there then went home I knew what it would be like. Another one at an elders house me and a couple of others were going to take a couple of six packs of beer. I was the only that took any and it disappeared in a couple of seconds of putting it down.

  Recently I attended a BBQ one of my cousins had. I hadn't seen him since the 80's. and before that the 60's some I hadn't seen because we were Witnesses when we grew up. But it was totally different to any Witness party, BBQ type thing that I had ever attended. The people were friendly.

  
  

  I'm not a very out going sort of person and I think that is to do with my upbringing as a Witness. Always being guarded in what I say and who I associate with. So many times I've gone to social events and agonized most of the night about what I've saidbeing unable to sleep, that doesn't happen anymore since I left the Witnesses.

  I wouldn't go to ex-dubs meet-ups myself. Nearly didn't go to the BBQ of my cousin.
  
  
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  Why Do People Become Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by minimus in

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  besides being raised in the religion , why do people become jws?

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  Besides being raised in the religion , why do people become JWs?

  
  

  I was raised as a JW. Why did my parents become JW?

  I don't think they were looking for something. My mother was contacted first and she was married with a child and I think my father worked quite long hours. I understood that my father wanted to meet the Witnesses he had some contact with them and thought he would be abel to dismiss them.

  I think, recently due to a question one of my children raised regarding being scared of God and a thread on this site, it was to do with his view of Jesus. The difference between mainstream Christianity and JW view of Jesus. My father showed no interest in religion and was very politcally minded.

  He said he couldn't prove them wrong, but I also think the Jesus that the Witness present was more in line with his politics.

  I always felt that my mother was in line with whatever father said, although some think she called the shots he just thought he did. She came from a large family and she witnessed to them but they never accepted it. She told me how lucky she felt that she would never experience old age (she has dementia and is in a home now)

  I think in the late 50's early 60's the Witnesses were somewhat different than today.

  In my view I think my father was looking for something better politically and the Witness Kingdom government with a Christ as presented appealed to him. My mother I think she was a little interested in religion and going to some church with people as he worked long hours appealed to her.

  
  
  
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  Do you have / admire Charisma?

  by The Rebel in

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  "charisma is a certain quality of an individual personality by virtue of which the person is set apart from ordinary people and treated as exceptional".

  as a kid i was afraid of such charisma, as it was usually the quality i noticed elders, head masters, and parents had to exercise with unloving authority over me.. but now i think about it "charisma" doesn't need be only for people with authority.

  " charisma" is something even we can have?

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  Ucantnome

  I think my dog had it, I didnt
  
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  Is changing the "truth" / presenting "new light" really so bad?

  by Zana in

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  2. friends

  playing devil's advocate here.... what's the difference between the gb changing bible interpretations compared to parliaments all over the world changing laws?

  although the us constitution (=bible) remains untouched, congress passes i don't know how many new laws every year.

  and of course people are expected to follow them.

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  I saw some of my cousins recently at a BBQ. When we were all kids my parents witnessed to them and their parents. Telling them of 1975 and the generation that will not pass away and how we would never grow old. Now a lot of my aunts/uncles are dead and our grandparents are gone. As I was leaving one them asked about our lives as witnesses.

  I'm sure had I told them about the overlapping generation I would have got a big laugh.
  
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  Joseph and his generation

  by maninthemiddle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so the wt used ex 1:6 to define a generation from the very beginning.

  then in the this september broadcast the same person (splain) who spent 20 min with charts to explain a generation, makes a point that joseph and his brothers were very close in age?

  (min 4:29).

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  Ucantnome

  I thought the new idea was the generation was marked by the event, like the Woodstock generation so ages dont matter so much

  l could be wrong but I thought the event was the sign and in the comparison with Joseph the event was his life
  
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  where have the demons gone?

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anybody remember some of the sensational demon stories jw's would tell back in the day?

  i was a kid in the early 80's and i remember a few times hearing of people having real life encounters with demons.

  for example, one sister claimed that before she became a jdub she would regularly talk to demons and they would even fix stuff like her washing machine!

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  Ucantnome

  Does anyone else remember such stories? The demons seem to have gone,

  I haven't been part of the congregation for over twenty years. However one of my relatives related an experience with demons in the house of someone we knew very well. This was things flying around the room and other problems. Fairly recently.

  A Witness who has spoken to me in recent years and expressed his doubts regarding the faith told me that when he spoke to an elder these experiences were mentioned as part of why he believes in God.

  So it doesn't seem to be gone to me.

  Also one of my customers not a witness told me of a very similar experience to one I heard of years ago in the congregation, the customer could not explain it and had the police in several times to investigate what was going on in the house. Nothing was found.
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  Is the Jesus of religion conservative, and the Jesus of the New Testament liberal?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  is the jesus of religion conservative, and the jesus of the new testament liberal?.

  your thoughts?.

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  Ucantnome

  I was looking up fascism regarding my father not really knowing what it is. Anyway I came across this on Wikipedia

  'A number of historians regard fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine that mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both those things'

  Maybe Jesus was a bit of a fascist by this definition.

  Being quite political ( we had a picture on the mantle piece of a politician ) and my father becoming a JW and supposedly a friend in the same party. There were some things that appealed to him.

  I think my political views are slightly left of centre and his were more to the right. I struggled with being a witness and feel more comfortable with my Christianity since leaving.