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having milled around this board for a little while, and getting to know the odd poster a tad better, one (at least i do) gets to wondering what some of you do for work.... i work installing custom hardwood flooring and ceramic tiles, with the odd wc renovation, and was going to start a career last year in avionics, but our friend osama put my plans on the backburner, until (or if) the canadian industry returns to normal.
i am considering going to university to further my photography skills, and am currently (and very slowly) working on a pictorial book that i hope to be published by the time i am 95. oh, and i devote 87643 hours of service to yhwh each month.. your turn.... .
Janitor in an adult book store with responsibility for mopping up the peep show booths after closing. That's all my JW background qualified me for, but I'm happy and occasionally enjoy fringe benefits such as free adult films when patrons leave the booth running.
Good luck PLH on your move!!!
the dilemma facing apostate jehovahs witnesses, or apostate dubs, as i have dubbed them, (no pun intended) is the very fact of their seeming success.
one of the great ironies of the apostate movement, that presumptuously boasts of "know the truth about the truth," is that apostates themselves are bound by the watchtower's own interpretive shortcomings, and hence are massively ignorant of jehovahs judicial decisions regarding his organization.
in that the presumption in operation is that if enough scandal and error can be brought to light regarding the governing body, the watchtower society's teachings, as well as individual jehovah's witnesses, then that somehow means that jehovah's witnesses have no connection with jehovah god.
You Know,
Obviously apostate dubs at one time did believe that there was a solid foundation of our faith otherwise you wouldn't have spent those many years trying to convince others that you had the truth. - - You Know
I'm not sure if I fit the definition of an apostate since I never believed anything the JWs forced down my throat as a child. I never had any inclination whatsoever to get baptized or in any way remain with the JWs beyond the age where my parents could compel me to attend meetings and perform uncompensated marketing services for the WTS corporation(s). If you consider me to be an "apostate," then your above-quoted assumption is absolutely invalid as it pertains to me. I spent "many years trying to convince others that [I] had the truth," only because I was coerced under the threat of severe beatings to perform such uncompensated marketing services. Therefore, in my case, not only was there not "solid foundation" for faith, but there never was any faith to speak of. Instead, there was the misery of a young child exploited for the benefit of a corporation cult.
Many of you were elders, ministerial servants, pioneers, and some even anointed. Where you that stupid? - - You Know [sic]
Unfortunately, for those who at one time believed but no longer have faith in the Watchtower cult, the answer to that question is "yes." That's why many are here, to vent or to find other ways to cope with their mistakes. At some point I bet you too will be here for that purpose, instead of the gadfly purpose that you now serve (and quite successfully, given the typically substantial number of replies to your posts).
Ironically, one of the strongest evidences that we do indeed possess the true faith is the existence of apostates themselves. - - You Know
That is extremely fallacious reasoning, You Know. That's like a person suffering from delusions claiming that the existence of people who reject his/her version of reality somehow prove that his/her version of reality is accurate. LOL.
One of the great ironies of the apostate movement, that presumptuously boasts of "know the truth about the truth," is that apostates themselves are bound by the Watchtower's own interpretive shortcomings, and hence are massively ignorant of Jehovahs judicial decisions regarding his organization. In what way? In that the presumption in operation is that if enough scandal and error can be brought to light regarding the Governing Body, the Watchtower Society's teachings, as well as individual Jehovah's Witnesses, then that somehow means that Jehovah's Witnesses have no connection with Jehovah God.
You Know, you have presumed a presumption. Scandal is merely one factor among many that support skepticism of an organization that represents itself as the sole mouthpiece of god. There are many more, including without limitation the preaching of intolerance of others, shunning of family members who don't share cult beliefs - - leading to destruction of the family unit, illogical interpretation of biblical standards regarding blood transfusions and cigarette smoking, etc.
It takes a lot of faith to believe what the JWs are preaching. Like many others here, I am a skeptic, not a pigeon. I think that in some ways you are too, and I welcome the day when you join the ranks of the folks you unsuccessfully attempt to discredit here.
Edited to correct typos - additions are underlined, deletions are stricken through.
Edited by - 144001 on 17 July 2002 12:33:19
Edited by - 144001 on 17 July 2002 14:53:15
hi, i'm 17 and i've just recently become a member of this website and i want you to know what has happened to me over the past months.back in sep/oct 2001 i started chatting to a 20 year old bloke via the internet and we developed a great friendship over the net.we would talk online for ages,text and phone each other loads,we sent each other photos of ourselves and he would often put his webcam on for me to see.before i knew it he played a great part in my everyday life...and i spent so much time chatting to him that my college work suffered a lot & i wasn't doing my coursework (i eventually got told to leave as i hadn't done loads of the assignments and stuff & had fallen behind).
after about 6 months we arranged to meet up (i made sure my parents were at home coz i know it's dodgy to meet people from the internet).anyway,he came round my house one evening in march and we got along soo well...he lives quite locally too which was good.our friendship then grew into a relationship and we started dating and going out together,i was sooo happy and i fell for him in a massive way & he said he felt the same way too.to me,he was a girls dream come true...he was kind,caring,fit,good-looking & gentle and i loved him to bits!,i still do,and i thought we'd be together forever.
something that i did find a bit strange though was i hadn't met his family yet or heard my boyfriend talk much about them.i would question him about his family but he seemed to get a bit funny about it and when i mentioned about meeting his family he said something along the lines of ''they're a bit strange,you might not like them'' (or something like that anyway).that got me thinking and i though prehaps they lived in a run-down place or something,or they wern't very nice people and i thought my b/f could be ashamed to let me meet them.i thought to myself to give him time & he'll see that i'm an understanding & nice person and hoped that he would soon come out and tell me what the problem was (thinking it was about what i've just mentioned).
Hey Brokenheartedidiot,
If my daughter was 17 and you came around to date her, you wouldn't have any teeth left after the first time we met. In our state, minors are incapable of giving consent for any sort of sexual conduct, so you would likely be subject to criminal prosecution. I would push for that all the way, after I knocked your teeth out of your foolish head. You don't know what love is, you're just looking for a piece of ass. You are an adult who'd better wise up quick, or you might find yourself being the newest "ho" in the state prison.
Funky, you ought to drop this loser fast. You're still very young and have a lot of opportunity ahead of you. Don't waste it on self-proclaimed idiots.
vent on.
i can't possibly be the only one feeling this way.. here's a self-professed maybe ex jw pedophile whose made upwards to a billion dollars selling records now using the race card.
michael jackson...using the race card.. could it be sour grapes because the album he spent 50 million producing was a complete and utter flop?
Out,
Amen! Apparently, he's trying to get out of his contract with Sony, but he needs to learn to live up to his commitments. When that contract was negotiated, he was at the peak of his career and had the best leverage/bargaining power that any musician, white or black, could ever dream of. He was represented by very talented counsel, and he has nothing to complain about.
Maybe if he'd avoided unsavory and costly situations and spent money a little less lavishly he wouldn't be in the predicament he's in now.
It's too bad, I liked the 80s MJ. I still think he's one of the most talented musician/dancers there is. It's a shame he's resorted to the race card, which is totally irrelevant to him. I think his recent actions are extremely foolish and will diminish his career prospects going forward (there's only 5 major record companies - and they are all watching).
Oh well. Who cares? LOL
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it may be worth preparing and brushing up on things ready for the phone-ins and live chat after panorama airs.
they also allow people to submit comments via the website.. in addition, there are often follow up programmes covering issues raised such as this morning, kilroy, tonight with trevor macdonald and various radio phone-ins.. don't be shy people ... the wts is on the ropes with a deservedly bloody nose with this one - let's put them on the canvas.
Does anyone know if there will be a web broadcast for US viewers?
<i>me & my girlfriend decided a long time ago(2 years) that we not having kids.
for reasons, but one of the reasons is because, we gonna wait till the next life(isaiah 65:17/new paradise earth), another reason is cause, we knoweth that the messiah will come back in our life time..... now that's hella strong faith, we have faith that the final destruction/peace & safety/armageddon will happen in our life time.... so we waiting!
great right?</i>
Great idea!!!
Wait until the great tribulation; there's enough people on the earth already.
i lifted this from the "other" board.. you say we will never know the answer?
i have the answer.
my sister, who met, and liked farkel, was so turned off by ***(the fighting and the picture of one poster's penis) she is going back to the hall.
Yawns . . . and cracks open another beer. I wonder if the Lakers will 4 peat?
kent and his merry followers seem to have made privacy their latest crusade and unfortunately they have decided to act in a completely irresponsible manner imho.. the forum software uses cookies to remember a users login details and can also be useful for identifying duplicate accounts.
it is not used for anything sinister and cannot be used to identify someone - all it gives is an indication that a computer is being used by more than one username and has been invaluable in identifying trouble makers like mario kempes / yo yo mama / sexy teen / help others (asking for money) and many others.
i believe that this is a good thing to do as i do not believe it compromises anyones privacy and does help prevent everyone wasting their time responding to people who are just "yanking our chain".. apart from the accounts that you have seen and know there are many more that you may not be aware of.
Simon,
Can't you make it so your site doesn't load if the browser doesn't accept cookies?
Anyway, thanks for all that you do here and I hope this stuff doesn't irritate you too much. Take care!
the watchtower has said that those who deviate from the faith only seek to pull down and do not try to build up.
they have no positive teachings.
only negative ones.
Cumfarter,
No one cares about your opinion or whether you stay or leave. You started this thread in true troll-like fashion, looking to offend others. You're a worthless piece of excrement, worthy only of getting flushed down the toilet henceforth where you came from.
i'm grateful for the friends i've made here and hope to continue relationships with them however this board has reached the 'more harmful than good' stage for me as well so i'm going to have to move on.
i've recently began re-question my decision to leave the jw's and have been wondering if we arent all really screwed up as is believed to be the case by jw's.
i need to go back and re-read all the exjw literature to prove to myself all over again that we are normal and ok and victims of a fraudulent cult.
Flower,
Somehow I missed this thread. I'm sorry to see you go but you have to do what is right for you. I wish you the best of luck and please feel free to drop me a note some time.
Goodbye!
