shocking and sad news.. i cannot begin to express how i feel.
it is the stuff of nightmares.. may his family have peace.. .
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"Right out of the Quaran", Gregor.
Absolutely, they are following their book to the letter.
I am disgusted at all these monkeys trying to brainwash people in to believing Islam to be a peaceful religion.
I call that treason and ignorance is no excuse for that.
over many years i have looked at jwn.
in fact barely a day goes by without my fix.. .
it is a site of contradictions.. .
The whole Cedars thing pretty much did it for me. In the past he has hurled words at me and I him but the whole thread dedicated to him that appeared to go on forever really did make me stop and think about why many of us are so angry (me included). After seeing Cedars video that was kindly posted on this forum I realized that he, despite any quirks, is pretty much the same as the rest of us and did appear to me to be quite genuine and sincere.
Since then I have taken a long look at myself and tried to make changes. In fact I believe I am making progress. The truth is, since I left the WT I had not become a better person but had become very angry and bitter to the extreme. Even friends on the outside have told me of the change in me since way back then. I still have contact with many Witnesses and there is no doubt that they are much better people than me. At least they are trying to do what they believe in which is more than I could say. I think that we very often feel that we have to disagree with JW's just for the sake of it, as if we are terrified of them being even partially right.
You know, even Stand For Pure Worship has a voice and I am sure he/she has something of interest to say to all of us. But he/she cannot say one word without being shouted down by everyone. This isn't really open discussion is it?
We are all people first.
I know that many of us have a lot to vent and that has become increasingly apparent to me and I guess it is easier to be nasty to a computer screen than to an already hurting face.
Nevertheless, of late I have been forced to stop and take stock of myself.
This post is not an invitation to another argument. Rather, it is an expression of my view on things so don't feel that you have to agree with it or disagree with it. I am fully aware that my way of thinking is way out of sync with many people but I'll live with it.
Many things posted on this forum have been of enormous help to me over the past few years and I am grateful for that.
i will happily answer this question if there can be some guarantees this thread won't be deleted..
Whole heartedly
i will happily answer this question if there can be some guarantees this thread won't be deleted..
I didn't realize that Simon said "Cedars desperately wants to be a leader and have followers".
Bang on the money!
Its funny, but as soon as Cedars appeared on this forum I could see that ambition in him and I had the balls to tell him so.
He didn't like it though. And he wouldn't let it go either!
Nevertheless, I stand by what I said back then and have been proved right.
In fact he is so ambitious that I'm surprised he ever left the WT.
He is exactly the kind of person who leaves and tries to draw others to follow him.
It shouldn't be about that but he has a lot of anger to get out of his system but this is not the place.
I'd like to say more but I have to take the kids to school.
Everything will now go along as usual
Cedars, if you now want to have a go at me then do so.
Your words don't mean shit and they never will
so i waz reading the august 15 wt study article, elisha saw fiery chariots, do you?
and it made me think about this forum.
if you remember, syria was hunting god's prophet, elisha.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit Gods Kingdom (Christ's words not mine).
That is a spritual outlook.
I'm not sure that you have really thought this through or that you understand what it means to have a spiritual 'outlook'.
Building new assembly halls, holding huge conventions and congratulating yourselves on how well you have all achieved what you have been told that you have achieved does not, as you presume, place you on a level with Jehovah's followers of old.
None of you really have a clear idea of what it is that the WT 'achieves' but you are told that it achieves great things so you accept that it must be so.
I'd give it some thought if I were you.
Unless, of course, you really do have an aversion to living in the real world.
okay, here's the issue.
some people, even some jws, believe that in the new world they will be reunited with their spouses.
jesus, however, said that in the resurrection there would be no marriage or giving in marriage.
I honestly think that living in a paradise would be so wonderful and complete that you would no way, not in a million years, ever want to marry anyway. I also think that from God's perspective marriage only serves the pupose of populating the earth and once that is accomplished the tap would be turned off so to speak.
This is not necessarily what erbie believes but it is what he believes the Bible hints at.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adjijphj8co.
Agreed, these guys are great.
I turned down an invitation to join a choir but now I'm thinking that maybe I should have accepted.
We could have sung this one!
growing up in the south everyone i knew believed in god, even the.
town drunk.
i remember watching some special tv program around xmas .
Hurry up and shut the door so I can move on to the next one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adjijphj8co.
Well, the JW's do need to realize that the name Jehovah does not belong to them nor are they the only ones to use it.
They won't like this will they.
Go Men Aloud!
well put together article from http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/does-the-watch-tower-society-speak-for-god.
contradictory doctrines.
the jehovahs witnesses have a doctrine known as the "increase of light.
Great article, thanks.
