' There are no such things as spirits. It is all psychology and superstition'
Is that supposed to be a statement of fact?
It certainly sounds like one to me.
People, be free to believe in what you want so long as it does not harm others...
as of now iam making an unbiased examination of evolution.
however one thing keeps me hanging on to the belief of a supreme spirit being; the existence of spirits.
i have heard countless accounts of people who have experienced frightening encounters with evil forces.
' There are no such things as spirits. It is all psychology and superstition'
Is that supposed to be a statement of fact?
It certainly sounds like one to me.
People, be free to believe in what you want so long as it does not harm others...
measuring the great pyramid of egypt reveals exact prophetic dates.. _______________.
that was the crackpot theory of so-called pyramidologists.. among the men who promoted this silly idea was the founder of the watchtower publishing corporation, pastor c.t.russell.. he did not originate pyramidology, but he copied the work of the astronomer royal of scotland, professor charles piazzi smyth.
as well as another fellow named john taylor (the great pyramid (1859) and built a grand bit of humbug theology.
Terry, that's priceless. Thanks for posting!
I have a friend who's an ex Freemason who was kind enough to show me his exclusive members books.
As you would expect, the name 'Jehovah' is very prominent among Freemasonry, hence the reason it is so precious to the Witness cult because of C.T. Russel's connections with it and his obsession with pyramids.
If only the greater number of JW's would open their minds and do their homework...
Good work and again, thanks.
check out the new jan 2015 study wt, article, they offer themselves willingly.
they give examples of young and middle age brothers and sisters who are selling their dream homes, uprooting their lives, etc, to move to help w/ building branches, etc, and how they know it's only temporary but not worried about what happens when they send them home.
they then say will you put jah to the test and see if he won't open the flood gates of blessings for you.
Life is Too Short:
Thanks for sharing your experience. It is a real education for someone like me who never really got too involved with the inner workings of it all.
However, I did know young couples here in the UK who gave their life over to 'serve' wherever they were needed.
I only hope that they are okay now.
have you watched some 'dub tv' yet?
it's very interesting.
steven lett of the gigglin brothers, put his foot right in watchtower's big mouth.
A very good point Apocalypse. Thanks for posting it.
You are right, I reckon tv will ultimately work against them and on a positive note for all of us, they really are beginning to show their true colours.
They are quite happy to deny people of a higher education while they set themselves up as tv stars.
Well, here's to the years ahead then...and on in to them we will go...
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i guess science really is blowing up the bible, awesome!.
I wouldn't say science is blowing up the bible but it is certainly blowing up the naïve understanding that certain people seem to have of it.
The bible does not say how old the Earth is or how long humans have been around.
It leaves that to the cults...
shocking and sad news.. i cannot begin to express how i feel.
it is the stuff of nightmares.. may his family have peace.. .
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"Right out of the Quaran", Gregor.
Absolutely, they are following their book to the letter.
I am disgusted at all these monkeys trying to brainwash people in to believing Islam to be a peaceful religion.
I call that treason and ignorance is no excuse for that.
over many years i have looked at jwn.
in fact barely a day goes by without my fix.. .
it is a site of contradictions.. .
The whole Cedars thing pretty much did it for me. In the past he has hurled words at me and I him but the whole thread dedicated to him that appeared to go on forever really did make me stop and think about why many of us are so angry (me included). After seeing Cedars video that was kindly posted on this forum I realized that he, despite any quirks, is pretty much the same as the rest of us and did appear to me to be quite genuine and sincere.
Since then I have taken a long look at myself and tried to make changes. In fact I believe I am making progress. The truth is, since I left the WT I had not become a better person but had become very angry and bitter to the extreme. Even friends on the outside have told me of the change in me since way back then. I still have contact with many Witnesses and there is no doubt that they are much better people than me. At least they are trying to do what they believe in which is more than I could say. I think that we very often feel that we have to disagree with JW's just for the sake of it, as if we are terrified of them being even partially right.
You know, even Stand For Pure Worship has a voice and I am sure he/she has something of interest to say to all of us. But he/she cannot say one word without being shouted down by everyone. This isn't really open discussion is it?
We are all people first.
I know that many of us have a lot to vent and that has become increasingly apparent to me and I guess it is easier to be nasty to a computer screen than to an already hurting face.
Nevertheless, of late I have been forced to stop and take stock of myself.
This post is not an invitation to another argument. Rather, it is an expression of my view on things so don't feel that you have to agree with it or disagree with it. I am fully aware that my way of thinking is way out of sync with many people but I'll live with it.
Many things posted on this forum have been of enormous help to me over the past few years and I am grateful for that.
i will happily answer this question if there can be some guarantees this thread won't be deleted..
Whole heartedly
i will happily answer this question if there can be some guarantees this thread won't be deleted..
I didn't realize that Simon said "Cedars desperately wants to be a leader and have followers".
Bang on the money!
Its funny, but as soon as Cedars appeared on this forum I could see that ambition in him and I had the balls to tell him so.
He didn't like it though. And he wouldn't let it go either!
Nevertheless, I stand by what I said back then and have been proved right.
In fact he is so ambitious that I'm surprised he ever left the WT.
He is exactly the kind of person who leaves and tries to draw others to follow him.
It shouldn't be about that but he has a lot of anger to get out of his system but this is not the place.
I'd like to say more but I have to take the kids to school.
Everything will now go along as usual
Cedars, if you now want to have a go at me then do so.
Your words don't mean shit and they never will
so i waz reading the august 15 wt study article, elisha saw fiery chariots, do you?
and it made me think about this forum.
if you remember, syria was hunting god's prophet, elisha.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit Gods Kingdom (Christ's words not mine).
That is a spritual outlook.
I'm not sure that you have really thought this through or that you understand what it means to have a spiritual 'outlook'.
Building new assembly halls, holding huge conventions and congratulating yourselves on how well you have all achieved what you have been told that you have achieved does not, as you presume, place you on a level with Jehovah's followers of old.
None of you really have a clear idea of what it is that the WT 'achieves' but you are told that it achieves great things so you accept that it must be so.
I'd give it some thought if I were you.
Unless, of course, you really do have an aversion to living in the real world.