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  re: holly

  by A Paduan in

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  i've posted this in a thread above, but i wanted to highlight it with the name.

  holly - here intermittently for one month & 9 days

  personally i think her (his?

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  NewLight2

  Fairchild,
  Nice post! I always like reading your posts.
  
  AlmostAtheist -
  
  "If she keeps up her "prove it to me" attitude, it will eventually be her undoing."
  
  I could not have said it better myself.
  
  My own observations on Holly's posts:
  
  She claims to have been part of the 'born-again' churches for 17 years, yet I find many things missing when she refers to her experiences with this group. 'Born-againers' use many catch phrases that belong to that group only. (Much as dubs do - 'in service' is an example.) I found this 'in jargarn' missing from Holly's posts. Instead her posts sounded way too much like she was ALREADY a dub! I just wonder what type of churches she had attended in the past. It would be really nice to know. I guess that we on JWD may never really know for sure exactly why she came here.
  
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  Goodbye everyone

  by holly in

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  its time to leave.

  i have had all the answers i need to make a firm decision.

  thank you so much everyone for your replies, for talking to me over the last few weeks and for some of the humour.. i believe the jws are right and that they have the truth.

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  NewLight2

  Holly,
  
  I will give you about 6 months to a year AFTER you become baptized to realize that what you have read on this forum was true. You WILL be back!!
  
  NewLight2
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  In the last days there will be a witness to all the inhabited earth........

  by holly in

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  and then the end will come.. something like that!!.

  so, for those who believe the bible, who are these people and what scripture would back that?.

  holly

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  NewLight2

  Holly,
  
  The 'unity' that the JW's boast about is more correctly, UNIFORMITY. When 'newlight' is declared by Watchtower Society Headquarters, ALL JW's must respond in total agreement. This rigid uniformity is not what God had in mind when he inspired the Apostles to speak and write about Christian UNITY, which was based not on FEAR but on LOVE - see Col 3:14.
  
  Does this unity which is based on love require the uniformity that is demanded of JW's? Not according to Romans 14:2-5 (Jerusalem Bible) - ". . . each must be left to hold his own opinion."
  
  Forced uniformity is never based on love, but rather it is almost always based on fear. Perfect love casts out fear - I John 4:18
  
  During the centuries of the Inquistion, the Roman Catholic Church was able to instill a similar forced unity in its followers; since 'heretics' (read apostates) were tortured and burned at the stake, hardly anyone dared to dissent.
  
  Within the JW's, there is a lot of 'talk' about love, but not much real unconditional love can be found. Although there is plenty of 'conditional' love to be found! As long as you CONFORM the JW's show this 'conditional' love, but if someone stops conforming, gone is the love too. Is this REALLY what the Bible teaches, holly?
  
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  In the last days there will be a witness to all the inhabited earth........

  by holly in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and then the end will come.. something like that!!.

  so, for those who believe the bible, who are these people and what scripture would back that?.

  holly

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  NewLight2

  Holly,
  
  What is your rush to get baptized a JW?
  
  Most on this board are only trying to prevent you from making a decision that will only result in future heartache and pain for you and your family.
  
  Slooow down!! Take your time in making that binding commitment to the Watchtower Society through baptism.
  
  The JW Biblical doctrines are not the issue here. Believe what you feel is right for you. You are free to choose your own beliefs now, but once you become a "Baptzed Jehovah's Witness" you will lose that very freedom you value so much.
  
  The Watchtower Society will DEMAND that you believe, agree, and follow every little detail that they spew forth from Brooklyn headquarters. For if you do not, they will toss you aside, shun you, and probably DF you.
  
  Their beliefs and 'rules' change like the wind. Read Quotes website -- http://quotes.watchtower.ca/ -- to verify that this statement is true.
  
  You may agree 100% with the Watchtower Society NOW, but sooner or later they will recieve 'newlight' again, and you will be forced to change your beliefs in accordance with this 'blinking newlight'.
  
  The 'blinking newlight' regarding who should/should not be shunned is a good example of this and one that has caused much heartache among families and friends as Watchtower policy has changed through time.
  
  What most posters on JWD want you to do is WAIT to take that fatal plunge into the baptismal tank, Holly. Slow down. Continue to research OUTSIDE WT materials. Take your time. Again, what is your HURRY to be baptized?? Continue to attend the KH and associate with the JW's if that is what you choose to do, but please, please WAIT to be baptized into this Mind-Controlling Cult!
  
  Have you explored other branches, like the Bible Students, who follow C T Russell's teachings?
  
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  In the last days there will be a witness to all the inhabited earth........

  by holly in

  1. jw
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  and then the end will come.. something like that!!.

  so, for those who believe the bible, who are these people and what scripture would back that?.

  holly

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  NewLight2

  After re-reading my post above, I found that due to a typo "in 1914?" was left out. So here is the corrected question:
  
  Can you prove by using the Bible alone that Jesus did in fact return invisibly in 1914?
  
  And now adding to that question:
  
  In fact, I find that the Bible states that Jesus' return will be a visible one as was his ascension into heaven.
  
  Compare Acts 1:9-11 with Revelation 1:7
  
  "Look he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will SEE him"
  Revelation 1:7 NIV
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  In the last days there will be a witness to all the inhabited earth........

  by holly in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and then the end will come.. something like that!!.

  so, for those who believe the bible, who are these people and what scripture would back that?.

  holly

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  NewLight2

  Sorry I forgot the page number on that quote:
  
  WT 10-1-1980 pp 28-29
  ". . .the Kingdom witnessing of Jehovah?s Witnesses since 1914 has been something far different from what Christendom?s missionaries have published both before and since 1914. Different ?how so?. . .What Jehovah?s Witnesses have preached world wide since 1918 is something unique . . .the preaching of this good news of the Messianic kingdom as having been established in the heavens in 1914 . . ."
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  In the last days there will be a witness to all the inhabited earth........

  by holly in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and then the end will come.. something like that!!.

  so, for those who believe the bible, who are these people and what scripture would back that?.

  holly

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  NewLight2

  WT 10-1-1980
  ". . .the Kingdom witnessing of Jehovah?s Witnesses since 1914 has been something far different from what Christendom?s missionaries have published both before and since 1914. Different ?how so?. . .What Jehovah?s Witnesses have preached world wide since 1918 is something unique . . .the preaching of this good news of the Messianic kingdom as having been established in the heavens in 1914 . . ."
  
  JW?s believe that Matt 24:14 refers to Jesus Christ returning invisibly in the year 1914 and establishing God?s kingdom in heaven at that time, with the Watchtower Society as his visible agency on earth.. The good news or gospel they preach is this gospel ? the good news that Christ has ALREADY returned invisibly. They also believe that Jehovah choose the Watchtower Society in 1918-1919 to be his sole channel to speak for him. This is what is commonly called "the FDS doctrine".
  
  So, Holly, JW?s admit that the gospel or good news that they preach door to door is a different gospel from what was preached prior to 1914.
  
  The Bible plainly warns against the preaching of a different gospel that is NOT written in the Scriptures! See Gal 1:8-9.
  
  Can you prove by using the Bible alone that Jesus did in fact return invisibly
  Can you prove by using the Bible alone that Jehovah choose the Watchtower Society alone to represent him in 1918?
  
  Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus ever went house to house preaching?
  
  Where in the Bible does it speak about actual experiences of this door to door preaching by the early Christians?
  
  Don?t you agree that if this door to door preaching had been a regular feature of apostolic activity as it is with the JW?s today, that actual experiences of this activity would appear written in the Bible?
  
  NewLight2
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  Questions for those who know...

  by newholland in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  went to jw "memorial talk" for a friend.

  i'm not gonna give too many details, because i don't want to lose connection i have with our friends.

  i have done a little research on jws, and now i am confused.

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  NewLight2

  newholland,
  
  Here is something else that may help you to understand the JW Doctrinal System. Basically their belief structure is just the reverse of that of the Evangelical belief system. It is as if you turned the doctrinal structure upside down.
  
  Quoted from:
  ?Understanding Jehovah?s Witnesses: Why They Read the Bible the way they do"
  pp. 91-92
  
  by Robert M Bowman, Jr.
  C/r 1991 Baker Book House
  ISBN 0-8010-0995-2
  
  
  "Doctrinally, the Jehovah?s Witnesses? beliefs tend to be self-reinforcing . . . The first level I would characterize as the primary doctrinal system. This is the system of interlocking doctrinal beliefs that constitutes the Jehovah?s Witnesses? main belief structure, their view of God and the world. These doctrines are interdependent and thus both rely on each other and serve to reinforce each other.
  
  Beginning where Charles Taze Russell began?the denial of eternal punishment?it is possible to see how all major doctrines of the Jehovah?s Witnesses interrelate, as follows:
  
  There is no hell,
  Because death is annihilation. But if that is so,
  Jesus cannot be God, because Jesus died, and God cannot be annihilated.
  Therefore the Trinity is false. But if that is so,
  The Holy Spirit must not be a divine person.
  
  Moreover, if Jesus was annihilated, there is no reason to expect that his body would be raised form the dead.
  Thus we may conclude that Jesus was raised as a spirit.
  But that implies that Jesus will not return physically to the earth.
  Therefore, his second advent will be a spiritual presence rather than a physical return.
  
  This allows his second presence to be understood to be happening at this time, unseen except to those who have spiritual insight.
  
  Moreover, if Jesus is a spirit and is to remain forever in heaven, and yet the Bible teaches both that there will be a bodily resurrection and that some will live with Christ and share his nature, that implies that there will be two classes of the redeemed?an earthly class and a heavenly class.
  
  If there is a heavenly class as well as an earthly class, then it follows that the requirements for admission to one class will be somewhat different from the requirements for admission to the other.
  
  Therefore, it makes sense to say that admission to the earthly class requires works in addition to faith and is basically a matter of proving oneself worthy, whereas admission to the heavenly class as a higher privilege is based solely on God?s choice?with the qualification that members of the heavenly class all fulfill the requirements for membership in the earthly class.
  
  This explains why some parts of the Bible speak of salvation as requiring obedience and good works, while others speak of everlasting life with God as a free gift.
  
  From this somewhat simplified presentation it should be clear that to challenge any one of these beliefs will have to ve perceived as a challenge, as least indirectly to the whole system. Thus, whenever confidence in one part of the system is challenged, the Jehovah?s Witnesses? confidence in the rest of the system bolsters their confidence in the part under attack."
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  Questions for those who know...

  by newholland in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  went to jw "memorial talk" for a friend.

  i'm not gonna give too many details, because i don't want to lose connection i have with our friends.

  i have done a little research on jws, and now i am confused.

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  NewLight2

  newholland,
  
  I can truely understand your basic confusion with the JW belief system. A book that may help you sort it all out in your mind is:
  
  "Reasoning from the Scriptures with the Jehovah's Witnesses"
  by Ron Rhodes
  Harvest House Publishers c/r 1993
  
  ISBN 1-56507-106-9
  It can be ordered by most bookstores
  
  
  Chapter 10 deals with the "other sheep" vs "anointed ones" doctrine and will be quite helpful to you.
  
  
  There are some on this forum who will disagree with some parts of the book, but it will help in understanding the basic diferences between Evangelical beliefs and those of the JW's.
  
  NewLight2
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  hey yall im back!!!!!!!!! New brother

  by defd in

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  2. friends

  man!

  i cannot believe all the attention i got yesterday.. i am a forum celebrity now.

  i do sign audigraphs.

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  NewLight2

  Hi defd,
  
  Welcome to the forum! I never was a JW. I did get a study one time, but I asked too many questions that they could not answer.
  
  Maybe you can answer them for me.
  
  Can you tell me why nobody can tell me where "Jehovah's Organization" was between the Bible writing and the 1800's when C T Russell came to be known as the Faithful and Descreet Slave?
  
  Can you tell me why the FDS was ONLY one man in Russell's time, himself? Was Russell alone, "Jehovah's Organization"?
  
  Where is the Bible based publications written by the FDS between the writing of the Bible and Russell's time?
  
  NewLight2