Posts by NewLight2

138

The brainwashing around the "Schiavo" case...

by Brummie in

jw
friends

up until this evening i had thought teresa schiavo was in an unconcious state, lying on a bed with just a machine keeping her alive.

how wrong was i?

i saw her smiling and showing awareness of her surroundings.

NewLight2

Quote:
"The only thing World Net Daily is good for is printing out to line your pet bird's cage. I recommend turning the page over so the bird won't get ill reading the crap that is printed there." - - bisous

bisous,

Why don't you try to deal with the content of the article rather then just dismissing it with the wave of your above comment?

I challege you to post any research material that you find that can disprove any of the FACTS that are in that article. Remember that a FACT is very different from 'a point of view'.

Quote from WND articles:
"At the trial in Nov. 1992, Schiavo's lawyers argued that Terri's collapse was caused by a potassium imbalance, brought on through an "eating disorder," specifically, bulimia. Though there was never any evidence she was bulimic, the jury held the doctors responsible for not diagnosing that condition and awarded $1.4 million dollars to Terri for her care and rehabilitation and $630,000 to her husband for "loss of spouse."

What real evinence can you post that Terri in fact HAD bulimia?

The reason I ask is the most of the media sources are reporting her supposed pre-existing bulimic condition as a 'fact' but have not shown any evidence of this so-called 'fact'.

NewLight2

138

The brainwashing around the "Schiavo" case...

by Brummie in

jw
friends

up until this evening i had thought teresa schiavo was in an unconcious state, lying on a bed with just a machine keeping her alive.

how wrong was i?

i saw her smiling and showing awareness of her surroundings.

NewLight2

Quote:
"© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
That's all I needed to read to know what followed was so slanted to
the right you could slide down it." -- Badger

Badger,

Ummm . . . Let's see so what you are really saying is that "WorldNetDaily.com" equals "Apostate Stuff" and should be avoided at all costs because they present a differing viewpoint from most other media sources?? (And of course "Apostate Stuff" always contains 'lies' right?)

Why not do some real research and post any real facts that disprove what that article said?

Re: Your concern that the 'Schaivo Case' "IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HAPPENING IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW!"

I live in Minnesota and I want you to know that the Red Lake school shooting has been the primary heqadline news story since it has happened. The 'Schaivo Case' has been pushed down to a short 'news bite' just before the weather or sports news.

138

The brainwashing around the "Schiavo" case...

by Brummie in

jw
friends

up until this evening i had thought teresa schiavo was in an unconcious state, lying on a bed with just a machine keeping her alive.

how wrong was i?

i saw her smiling and showing awareness of her surroundings.

NewLight2

At the trial in Nov. 1992, Schiavo's lawyers argued that Terri's collapse was caused by a potassium imbalance, brought on through an "eating disorder," specifically, bulimia. Though there was never any evidence she was bulimic, the jury held the doctors responsible for not diagnosing that condition and awarded $1.4 million dollars to Terri for her care and rehabilitation and $630,000 to her husband for "loss of spouse."

Saturday, March 26, 2005

LIFE AND DEATH TUG OF WAR
Terri's money used to pay for starvation death
Once well-provided for, disabled woman now dependent on
taxpayers

Posted: March 26, 2005
11:45 a.m. Eastern

By Sarah Foster

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

When a jury awarded brain-disabled Terri Schindler-Schiavo over $1
million in a medical malpractice suit against her two physicians in
1992, it did so believing the money would be used to pay for the
brain-injured woman's long-term care and rehabilitation.

But instead of the therapy he promised he'd provide for Terri, her
estranged husband, Michael Schiavo, 41, who is also her legal
guardian, used most of the money to pay attorneys to arrange his wife's
death and he did this with full court approval.

The money awarded Terri was placed in a trust fund and a judge
approved all expenditures from pedicures to attorney bills. The latter
has skyrocketed over the years, as Terri's parents, Robert and Mary
Schindler, battled their son-in-law in the Florida courts over their
daughter's right to live.

By June 2001, the trust fund money had dwindled to $350,000. Today,
just $40,000 to $50,000 remains.

Deborah Bushnell, who has represented Schiavo since 1993 in a series
of legal skirmishes with the Schindlers, this month told Associated
Press she has been paid $80,309 since becoming involved in the case.
"Right to die" advocate and attorney George Felos, who was
surreptitiously hired by Schiavo in 1997 to win court approval for
Terri's death by removing her feeding tube, has been paid $348,434,
according to Bushnell. Informed sources say an additional $50,000
should be added, to include legal costs that Bushnell did not include in
the figure she gave.

Four years ago the St. Petersburg Times reported that records showed
Felos was paid more than $200,000 between 1997 and June 2001, while
Bushnell netted $27,000 between 1993 and June 2001 ? which means
she has been paid over $50,000 in just four years. Schiavo, too, was
reimbursed $6,000 for legal costs.

The fees include not only standard attorney services, such as preparing
briefs and taking depositions, but thousands of dollars for ?dealing
with the media,? records show. The payoff has been the continuous
slanting of news stories in newspapers and on television of the battle
over Terri?s life, beginning after the trial in 2000.

Both attorneys claim they have not been paid since 2002, but Felos
recently admitted to the St. Petersburg Times that the American Civil
Liberties Union is helping underwrite Schiavo's litigation.

Spending Terri's money in litigation is highly unusual, according to Pat
Anderson, who represented the Schindlers in their fight with Schiavo
from 2001 through most of 2004.

Most guardianships don't prosecute or defend legal actions, Anderson
told WorldNetDaily. "They just go along, uneventfully, and the
guardian reports to the court once a year. The guardian pays doctor
bills, arranges for medical care, buys baseball game tickets, pays for
haircuts and toenail clippings, nothing controversial."

Anderson said court approval is required to pay attorney fees out of a
guardianship estate, but because generally the fees are modest, a
guardianship attorney, such as Bushnell, only applies once a year.
"Obviously, in order to have a successful guardianship practice, an
attorney must have a lot of guardianships or a major lawsuit," she
noted.

Terri's account balance had dropped to about $100,000 by 2002, at
which time a strategy was devised to qualify her for Medicaid, the
federal-state health insurance program for the indigent and disabled.

In situations like this, after assets are sold the remaining money goes
into trust and can only be used for certain specified purposes,
Anderson said. Upon the patient's death any remaining money goes to
the government. In exchange, the government extends Medicaid
benefits.

Questionable circumstances

Terri suffered major trauma in Feb. 1990 when, at the age of 26, she
collapsed under questionable circumstances in the St. Petersburg, Fla.,
apartment she shared with her husband. For reasons never
satisfactorily explained, oxygen to her brain was cut off for about eight
minutes, leaving her unable to talk and dependent on a feeding tube
through her abdomen into her stomach for food and hydration.

Medical reports that surfaced in 2002 strongly indicate Terri was a
victim of beating and strangulation, but at the time of her collapse her
parents, Robert and Mary Schindler, never considered such a
possibility and agreed to Michael being named as guardian. They did
not realize that this would give him total control over all aspects of her
life - where she lived, what medical treatment she received, who
could visit her.

Two years following their daughter's collapse, in the hope of getting
funding for her long-term care, the Schindlers endorsed Schiavo
bringing a medical malpractice suit against Terri's two gynecologists
for negligence.

At the trial in Nov. 1992, Schiavo's lawyers argued that Terri's collapse
was caused by a potassium imbalance, brought on through an "eating
disorder," specifically, bulimia. Though there was never any evidence
she was bulimic, the jury held the doctors responsible for not
diagnosing that condition and awarded $1.4 million dollars to Terri for
her care and rehabilitation and $630,000 to her husband for "loss of
spouse."

After the attorneys had taken their cut of nearly 50 percent, Terri was
left with over $750,000, and Schiavo had $300,000 to spend as he
wished. He used his award money to pay for training to be a nurse,
something he had promised the jury he'd do so he could take care of
Terri personally.

He also bought a gold Honda Acura.

A trust fund for the disabled woman was established at a local bank,
with the money invested in blue chip stocks, such as Coca-Cola, Walt
Disney and Proctor & Gamble, corporate and U.S. Treasury bonds, and
a money market account.

In April 1993, Terri's money was valued at $776,254. According to a
financial planner, it's been estimated that if the principle had not been
touched, the fund during the mid- to late 1990s would have grown and
at the same time generated an annual income of at least $70,000. This
would easily have paid for her care in the finest nursing home in
Florida, including rehabilitation.

However, under Florida law, if Terri should die, Schiavo as spouse and
guardian stood to inherit her entire trust fund.

No sooner was Terri's money in the bank than Schiavo refused to begin
the long-awaited rehabilitation program, directed the nursing home
where she lived not to give her antibiotics for various infections and
had a "do not resuscitate" order attached to her chart. He later testified
that doctors had advised him that her condition was hopeless and if
she became ill he should "let her die."

As his wife's legal guardian, Schiavo is permitted to use her money, but
only if what he spends it on is in her "best interests." He has said he is
trying to do that by following her wishes not to be kept alive
"artificially," and denies that his decision to remove her feeding tube
has anything to do with the fact that he is the beneficiary of her estate.

"This suit was brought on her behalf to implement her wishes," said
attorney Felos.

The Schindlers tried to wrest the guardianship from their son-in-law
but were unsuccessful, and the two sides began their battle in the
courts of Florida, which in time escalated into what some observers
consider the most important euthanasia litigation in history. It was the
first case in which family members fought each other over whether a
patient in a so-called "persistent vegetative state," but otherwise in
good health, should have a feeding tube removed so he or she would
starve to death.

Follow the money

In any litigation a paper trail is created as the parties file documents
and judges issue orders. A second trail, a money trail ? is created by
attorneys when they file itemized fee petitions to the court to recoup
their costs. Fee petitions may include details about phone calls ? when
they were made, to whom, what was talked about and how long each
call lasted. They show how much was paid to expert witnesses, how
much time was spent on research, preparing testimony and affidavits,
taking depositions and appearing in court.

They also give information about the various schemes and strategies
being devised. Reading a fee petition is like following the marks an
explorer cuts on trees to show the way through a forest.

This is certainly the case in the Schiavo litigation, and explains why
Bushnell and Schiavo had the petitions sealed from the public and the
Schindlers following the trial in 2000.

Bushnell charged $165 an hour for the first few years, but later raised
that to $185 an hour.

For the first year of guardianship litigation from Sept. 21, 1993, to
Sept. 16, 1994, Bushnell billed $5,622 (for 35 hours), plus $1.75 for two
faxes one from attorney Steve Nilson, of an amended deposition; one
from Gyneth Stanley, attorney for the guardian of the property of
Theresa Marie Schiavo (the bank).

The high figure was due to the courtroom battle between Schiavo and
the Schindlers, who were desperately attempting to oust their
son-in-law from his entrenched position as "guardian of the person of
Theresa Marie Schiavo."

Costs included a "telephone conference with Steve Nilson regarding
issues of do not resuscitate and no treatment and timing to raise issues"
($82.50); "Telephone Conference with Mike Schiavo re. do not treat
decision" ($49.50); and "Telephone Conference with Michael Schiavo
regarding problem with nursing home complaining" ($49.50).

While Schiavo could pay Bushnell with money from his wife's trust
fund, the Schindlers had few funds at their disposal and their attorneys
over the years have worked for low fees or on a pro bono for the
(public) good basis, that is, they've provided services for free.

"Marital debts"

Another cost borne by Terri's estate unrelated to the guardianship
litigation came in late 1994 when Pinellas County Circuit Court Judge
Thomas Pinick allowed Schiavo to take nearly $10,000 from the fund to
pay her "share" of a bank loan they had co-signed the summer before
her collapse.

According to records obtained by WND, the couple borrowed $11,500,
in June 1989, to pay some "marital debts." But with Terri incapacitated
and not working, Schiavo fell behind on the payments and the debt
mushroomed. A payment plan was negotiated, with a total owed of
over $18,000. Rather than use his own resources and award money,
Schiavo persuaded the court to reimburse him $3,525 from her trust
fund for one-half the monthly payments he had already made on his
wife's share of the note and to pay the bank $5,772.17 for her half of the
final payment due.

Pinick signed the order authorizing payment on Dec. 8, 1994, in time
for Christmas.

A deadly agenda

At first, Schiavo was clearly hoping that his wife would become ill and
he could "let her die" as several doctors had advised him. The more
deadly scheme to euthanize her by starvation was in the talking stages
by late 1995 three years before it was formalized in the courts in 1998,
according to the fee petitions.

Bushnell contacted Felos by phone on Dec. 13, 1995, asking for
"assistance with analysis of life-prolonging procedures statute ..." They
talked half-an-hour, at a cost to Terri's trust fund of $82.50.

In 1996, Bushnell obtained permission from Judge Pinick to seal the
annual financial reports from Terri's parents. She also asked him to
deny the Schindlers copies of the annual reports on Terri's care and
information about her medical condition, but Pinick didn't go that far.
He ruled that the parents were to be notified of any change in Terri's
condition and that treatment would have to be given for any illness for
at least five days.

In February 1997, she phoned Schiavo "re. associating George Felos to
handle removal of life support issue." (cost to Terri: $54)

On March 5, 1997, Schiavo signed a contract with Felos "to represent
him in connection with the withdrawal and/or refusal of medical
treatment ..." at the rate of $195 an hour, with costs to be "borne by the
client." There was no mention of starving Terri to death by removing
her feeding tube. The agreement was contingent on approval of the
Pinellas County Probate Court.

In fact, the client paid nothing: as usual, all costs would be repaid out
of Terri's trust fund.

In mid-April, Bushnell petitioned the court in Schiavo's name for
permission to employ and pay George Felos "for representation in
connection with the issue of withdrawal and/or refusal of medical
treatment", at the rate of $195 an hour. Evidently everyone associated
with the case except the Schindlers understood that "medical
treatment" included providing food and water through a feeding tube.

With the petition Bushnell submitted a formal order she'd prepared for
Judge Mark Shames to sign, authorizing Felos being hired. At this point
she hit a temporary roadblock: the order signed by Judge Thomas
Pinick a year earlier that Terri's parents were to be notified in case
there was a change in her medical condition. Shames returned
Bushnell's prepared order stamped NOT SIGNED, with a note
handwritten on it that Terri's parents needed to be told about this.

"Gently and informally"

Bushnell shot back a response, assuring Shames that Schiavo was
"aware" of the "difficult issues" in the case and urging he sign the order
even though the Schindlers hadn't been notified and wouldn't be for a
while.

"It is anticipated that the parents will initially be approached gently
and informally by Attorney Felos regarding this issue, that Hospice
will be involved, and that counseling will be provided to the guardian
and the parents to assist with the decision-making process. ...

"Attorney Felos, the guardian, and I feel that the receipt of a petition
for payment of attorney fees regarding this issue would not be the best
and kindest way for the ward's parents to learn that this issue is being
considered," Bushnell explained.

No reason was given as to why the local hospice was to be brought into
the action, but that became obvious in April 2000 when Schiavo and
Felos had Terri removed surreptitiously and without prior court
approval from the nursing home where she'd lived since 1994 and
relocated at the Woodside Hospice, a facility of the Hospice of the
Florida Suncoast, of which Felos had been a board member since 1996
a fact he did not disclose.

After receiving her assurances that the Schindlers would be notified
eventually, Shames signed the order on May 14. Felos waited over
three months to inform the Schindlers ? "kindly and informally" ? of
Schiavo's plans.

Word came in a casual letter sent by regular post, and at first Robert
Schindler couldn't believe what he was reading.

Sucker-punched!

Dated August 20, 1997, the letter was from an attorney he'd never
heard of, telling them in an offhand way that he'd been hired by their
son-in-law to arrange the Terri's death. Worse it appeared a court had
approved the idea without so much as a hearing.

"I felt sick at my stomach," Schindler told WND. "I couldn't believe it.
It was like being sucker punched right in the gut. I never, ever thought
Michael would go that far."

"Dear Mr. and Mrs. Schindler," the letter began.

"The court in your daughter's guardianship, ... has authorized the
guardian to employ me in connection with the withdrawal and/or
refusal of medical treatment for your daughter Theresa. I have handled
many cases exploring the appropriateness of terminating life-sustaining
medical treatment and have also worked in the past as a Hospice
patient volunteer. I know first hand how difficult it is making such
determinations. ..."

Nothing definite was decided the Schindlers were told; the writer was
simply "obtaining information" about Terri's treatment and prognosis
for recovery and what her wishes might be if she could "express
herself." They were advised to contact the Hospice of the Florida
Suncoast, a network of hospice facilities based in Largo, Fla., for
patients terminally ill from a disease and beyond hope of recovery.

"Whatever the end point of this process may be, you may find it a great
benefit talking or meeting with a Hospice professional. I have been told
that Sandy Sunter, with Hospice, is aware of Theresa's case. I know
Sandy to be highly skilled as well as deeply compassionate."

The letter was signed "George Felos."

Schindler wasn't taken in for a minute. It was clear a "final
determination" had been made, with Terri's death as the "end point."
When he'd recovered from the initial shock he phoned Felos to see if
there wasn't "a bit of wiggle room." Couldn't something be worked out
that would allow Terri to live? Was Schiavo so determined to see his
wife dead that he'd consider no alternative? Felos said matters had
gone too far and there could be no turning back. That was news to
Schindler.

Sandra Sunter, the woman Felos suggested as a contact at Hospice, is a
licensed mental health counselor (LMHC). Schindler figured he didn't
need a counselor he needed an attorney.

No deep pocket

Unlike Schiavo, Terri's dad didn't have a deep pocket to dip into for
legal fees, but an attorney he knew put him in touch with Pamela
Campbell, a guardianship attorney, who agreed to take the case on a
pro bono basis.

Felos didn't bill for services until after the trial that was held in Jan.
2000; then he presented a bill for nearly $75,000.

Although Bushnell billed for the initial phone call in 1995, Felos
himself did not charge for advice he might have provided prior to Mar.
5, 1997, when Schiavo actually met with him and they signed a
contract. To cover a few pre-trial costs, Bushnell obtained court
approval for an advance to Felos of $7,500. By the time the trial was
completed the sum total of fees and costs was $81,760.17 for the period
from Mar. 5, 1997 to Jan. 28, 2000.

This included payments to paralegals, researchers, and expert
witnesses. Dr. Victor Gambone, Terri's physician, who certified her as
being PVS, a condition from which he said she could never recover,
received $1,250 as an expert witness; while Dr. James Barnhill, a
Florida neurologist, received $4,200 for testifying her brain was gone
and had been replaced with spinal fluid.

Despite later testimony and statements from dozens of other doctors,
including neurologists, the label PVS has stuck, as has the depiction of
Terri not having a brain.

When the $7,500 advance was deducted, the firm of Felos and Felos
received $74,230. Some of the work done by the firm was done by
Felos' wife and law partner, Constance Felos. The couple has since
divorced.

And what did Felos do to earn that money?

The initial conference with Schiavo lasted 80 minutes ($260); on Aug.
18, 1997, he reviewed the file and drafted letters to doctors and the
"sucker-punch" letter to the Schindlers: 90 minutes ($292.50); talked to
Bob Schindler on Aug. 26, after he'd received the letter: 35 minutes
($113.75).

Every minute, every hour the clock was ticking on Terri and the tab
was growing exponentially. The principle of her estate was being
depleted quicker than it could generate revenue. But with the financial
report closed to the parents, the Schindlers had no idea how much was
being spent.

After the trial, Felos billed on a more regular basis every few months,
with a particularly large invoice for the two months following the trial,
much of it for "dealing with the media."

During the trial the Schindlers began to realize that this was not going
to be a slam-dunk. They had assumed that no judge would allow
Terri's feeding tube to be removed.

"The whole thing was ludicrous," said Schindler, recalling his feelings
before the trial. "I actually believed it would be thrown out of court.
Even when the trial started I thought Greer would just throw it out.
Everything seemed like a grade B or grade C movie everything
seemed so weak that they were presenting to the court. I just didn't see
how that could ever happen."

But it did, and on Feb. 11, 2000, Greer signed an eight-page order
directing the removal of Terri's feeding tube.

The Schindlers, stunned, wondered how they could continue the fight
lacking the necessary financial resources. Then, in a sudden
groundswell of support, a small group of dedicated pro-life activists
cobbled together a grassroots campaign. Doctors, too, came forward to
testify that Terri was not PVS, but they spoke too late. The order had
been signed. Lawyers appeared, who agreed to carry the case to the
appeal court.

A computer guru volunteered his services, and at his own expense
developed a website, serving as webmaster until mid-2003, at no cost
to the Schindlers.

Public opinion ran high in favor of the parents, against a husband who
wanted her out of the way. Schiavo may have won in the trial court,
but he was losing in the court of public opinion. Felos began a
counter-campaign of his own, but not for free.

Massaging the media

In June 2000, Felos billed $11,700 for attorney time for the two-month
period from Jan. 28 to Mar. 28, with many of the items being essentially
damage control measures. These include hours spent with Schiavo
doing media interviews, "calls to and from client regarding how to
obtain balanced media coverage, media interviews," "numerous calls to
and from media representatives and interviews", a call from Schiavo
regarding radio talk show and libel issues," and so on.

One of the overseers in the County Clerk's office, Ms. Story, balked at
approving the invoice because of its many media related items. Story
said the court wanted to know why the expenditure of attorney time
dealing with the media was of any benefit to Terri.

Felos explained in a letter to Judge Greer that the Schindlers had
initiated a "broad-based media campaign," and it was necessary to
"correct inaccuracies and falsehoods in respondents' media portrayal of
the case." Attacks against Schiavo were "strident," and "he has directly
been called a 'murderer' on television and radio."

He said Schiavo did not feel qualified to answer the charges, and
counted on him to present his cause to the media. "A client may be
concerned about misspeaking in front of the media or even, through a
misstatement, making statements which could be construed as an
admission against interest in the case, thus damaging the cause of
action of the Ward."

Felos was particularly chagrined at a letter of Schindler's, posted on the
website, that included some "extremely inflammatory language, such
as 'Terri has been sentenced to death. We do not understand how in a
civilized society, Terri's life was even put on trial.'"

Schiavo was being "unfairly maligned and held up to public ridicule,"
and as guardian should have "the reasonable right, through counsel, to
counter such an attack. Otherwise, persons may be reluctant to act as
guardians, and may be very reluctant to undertake legal action to
enforce the Ward's rights if the guardian concludes that his or her
reputation or livelihood cannot be defended in the proceeding."

As with every request Felos made during the six years he presided
over the case, Greer agreed and approved the billing, including the
charges for "dealing with the media."

For Schiavo and Felos it was money well spent. From that time
onward, the mainstream media local and national got the message
and have walked lockstep with Felos and Schiavo, in particular the
Associated Press, the St. Petersburg Times, and the New York Times.
Terri continues to be described as being in a persistent vegetative state,
when dozens of doctors and therapists say otherwise; the case is
characterized as a "right to die" case, when a more accurate appellation
is "right to live"; and the reason given for removal of her feeding tube
is "so she can die."

Michael Schiavo's long-term adulterous relationship with another
woman, with whom he has had two children, is downplayed or
ignored. Also ignored is the once-sizable inheritance he stood to gain
from his legal wife's death. Instead, he is portrayed as a loving
husband desperately trying to carry out Terri?s wishes despite her
parents, who stubbornly refuse to "let her go."

Bobby Schindler, one of Terri?s two siblings, told WND he is amazed at
the strength and determination of the opposition against his parents
and Terri by the courts, media, and government.

"I don?t get it," he said. ?An awful lot of people want my sister dead,
and they?ve spent a lot of money killing her. What I can?t figure out is
why."

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Crap that hurts! Talking to an ex-LDS

by Qcmbr in

jw
friends

i just got an email from someone who played a really formative part of my life who's since left the lds church (my rose tinted spectacles) and it really hurts.

this is why i don't go to ex-lds sites.

its wierd - a lot of you as posters are at the other end of the tunnel - having left/escaped - but it sure as heck feels gut wrenching when your still 'in' and someone you care about leaves.

NewLight2

Qcmbr,

To make paragraphs, just check the 'box'
Automatic Cr/Lf

It is located at the bottom of the bottom of the 'repy box'

But you should be able to format your posts by hand using HTML
Just leave this box checked and uncheck the above box.

I'm using an old version of Netscape.

To make links - use html

Hope this helps,

NewLight2

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Our Future After Terri Schiavo/ What Hangs in the Balance.

by prophecor in

jw
friends

regardless for how one feels about the situation surrounding terri schiavo, this will be a landmark case in american history, politically, religiously, as well as within the medical profession.

to put this woman to death in the manner for which is being done, is inhumane and ungodly.

criminals on death row are afforded a more deserving death than she has been given.

NewLight2

Someone said to GW Bush once that 'he could win the national election and become president of the USA if he JUST won the votes of those that professed to be 'born-agains' and those that were in the 'pro-life' movement.'

This is what appears to have happened. I had a friend of mine comment to me, "I held my nose, as I pushed the button for Bush!" - meaning she hated the Bush big business policies, but that she voted for him only because of his 'moral policies'.

NewLight2

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Our Future After Terri Schiavo/ What Hangs in the Balance.

by prophecor in

jw
friends

regardless for how one feels about the situation surrounding terri schiavo, this will be a landmark case in american history, politically, religiously, as well as within the medical profession.

to put this woman to death in the manner for which is being done, is inhumane and ungodly.

criminals on death row are afforded a more deserving death than she has been given.

NewLight2

In another thread I found comments that fit nicely into THIS thread topic also, so I'm posting the links.

Posted by Yizuman