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  Highlights from Leaked Bethel Videos - part 7, statistics charts

  by neat blue dog in

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  2. beliefs

  here's some stat charts featured in the bethel talks:.

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  Is this world wide?
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  Governing Body speaker ratings

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. social
  2. humour

  ok, it's time.

  we've had opportunity to observe the 8 gb members speaking ability.

  now it's our turn to give our honest ratings...using their own form, of course!

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  They all SUCK big time.
  Though GB have never been good speakers.
  
  
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  Brothers with hearts. Where are they?

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one poster here mentioned how, after he was appointed as an elder, things took on a more "corporate" feel.

  i was an ms and as such went, dutifully, to the bi-annual meetings with the co. i was sorely disappointed.

  i had imagined sort of a round-table discussion of trends and potential difficulties in the congregation, along with a coordinated effort to help people out.

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  You are so right still.

  Since those years I've noticed that there are fewer and fewer heartfelt talks.

  Lots of reasons contribute to that. Little or no training on public speaking (fyi the TM school was never a good tool for that), fewer opportunities for brothers to actually get better at it if they have that inclination. NO incentive to do so. And really suppression from all the higher ups on just regurgitating crap.
  
  To get to the point where you can do it (public talks are probably the only place left) you have to build up some street cred first. You have to get to be someone that will not be easily questioned if you go off track.

  But in reality - the days of good loving and smart brothers who really worked at being good public speakers that gave valuable info and encouragement are OVER.

  I got out just as the heyday for that ended.
  As an elder, after years of hard work, and personal expense for extensive training, I hit the pinnacle of what elders could accomplish with public speaking. (Not bragging cuz I REGRET everything I did).
  

  It all started to come apart as the GB took more power over everything said.

  Few, very few brothers do more than vomit out the crap handed to them now.

  Sad.
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  "Thanks for the thought" - how the religion robs people of normal humanity

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so as you all know, my wife and i are not officially df or da.. a small event happened this week that i have to share!.

  a family that we were really close to (dinners and catch ups several times a month , go out socially often, play sport together, helped them through tough times, like uncle and aunty to their kids, etc).

  the wife's father died.

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  stuck - same boat.

  We faded with not one knowing any bad reason why.

  Being stumbled is the only thing they could attribute to.

  Instead of being upset someone who may have done that to us, we just got preemptively shunned.
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  Death

  by Charles Gillette in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i often wonder about death.

  no one has any idea, do they?

  people have speculated since the beginning of time but each original concept of the hereafter as been absurd as the one before.

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  Knowing there is nothing after my heart stops haunts me so much.
  After almost 5 decades of thinking that I will never die, I have a hard time coping now.

  I wish I had a faith in something after, it would make things easier, but its just a Fiction created by people like me who could not fathom not existing.

  CG I feel for you.
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  Iran vs. Israel - could it be the beginning of Armageddon?

  by tartarus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have recently read in the news that an attack on iran is planned sometime after the olympics in beijing.

  here's a bit of background to it:.

  when irans fledgling democracy was overthrown with support of cia the shah of iran was giving israel free oil thru a pipeline that still runs thru saudi arabia to a refinery in the israeli city of haifa.

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  Of course it is -- its starts two weeks from next tuesday:)
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  Withdrawing community support in the congs

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've noticed in the past 10 years that the social support that used to be available in the congs, a shoulder to cry on, elders to help with family/marriage issues these seem to have been purposely withdrawn.

  counsel is even heard from the platform that the elders are not there to help people with their problems.. so first in the 80s-90s they take away the congregation get to getters and social events and now they seem to be going one step further in taking away the emotional support for people too.. this will take away an aspect that i'm sure was keeping alot of people in the borg, the community support.

  if that's not there and its just about meetings and ministry how many will start to get their emotional support elsewhere?.

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  LongHairGal - Bingo.

  I can't believe that (without any real evidence or experience) I would pontificate on how OTHER churches have NO LOVE amongst themselves.

  That the churches are full of selfish people who just want their ears tickled and don't care about the other people there.

  WHAT BULLSHIT I was taught and spread.
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  Think about this! All the signs of the last days from Matt.24. That jw's point to,  happened in the 1st half of the last century!

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  and now it's 2018 and we are still here.

  that's like saying back in 1930 the events of the civil war show we are in the last days!

  it has now been that long!.

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  Yes and every century Before and Since.
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  Withdrawing community support in the congs

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've noticed in the past 10 years that the social support that used to be available in the congs, a shoulder to cry on, elders to help with family/marriage issues these seem to have been purposely withdrawn.

  counsel is even heard from the platform that the elders are not there to help people with their problems.. so first in the 80s-90s they take away the congregation get to getters and social events and now they seem to be going one step further in taking away the emotional support for people too.. this will take away an aspect that i'm sure was keeping alot of people in the borg, the community support.

  if that's not there and its just about meetings and ministry how many will start to get their emotional support elsewhere?.

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  mikeflood - You are right. I remember as a Pioneer telling people how "stupid" churches were for separating kids from adults during services. And being so prideful that "we" dont. (no idea why i would take pride in that).

  Then I remember being on stage as an elder and doing parts like local needs where you "should really get into things" but you see all these little faces out there, and have to hold back.

  Or when there are parts in the bible that NO kid should have to listen to or here explanations of.

  FYI - I have come to realize there is NO family in JWs.

  When you can be abandoned by what you thought were "friends sticking closer than a brother" abandons you for not having the same schedule anymore. The love is 1 layer of skin deep.

  Literally - no one has any fact-based reason to think I did anything bad - in fact they should have reason to think I was STUMBLED (fortune gave me a good hand to play that one when I faded) - yet me and my family have been abandoned (LUCKY US!!!!)

  So much for the 1 sheep - and the having love amongst themselves.
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  Gene therapy to cure disease and possibly aging

  by Comatose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140330151614.htm.

  this article is amazing.

  there have been other recent articles about reversing aging in mice.

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  Silly you - only Dogs Kingdom can do that:)