Posts by ttdtt

i suppose i still cling to watchtower utopia when no one would age over 25.. i used to look forward to paradise earth because it meant all the evil in the world, nuclear warfare, terrorist attacks and sickos would be no more, but we are deep in the 21st century with no end in sight.. appreciate your comments.

ttdtt

truthseeker - you are going through what most of have or as still battling with. Worst bait and switch ever!

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Is it true: the memorial will stop after the last anointed have passed away?

by FinchAndWeston in

i heard that the memorial will stop after the last anointed have passed away ... is this information true/false?

just curious.

it's secondhand.

ttdtt

Here is the outline if anyone wants to see.

THIS IS A SPECIAL OCCASION (6 min.)

We are here to show our appreciation for a superlative act of love

On this date almost 2,000 years ago, Jesus Christ gave his life in order to deliver us from the curse of sin and death

Jesus commanded his disciples to remember his loving act once a year in a simple ceremony [Read Luke 22:19, 20]

In obedience to Jesus’ command, millions in 236 lands will observe the Lord’s Evening Meal tonight

They will meet in Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls, in private homes, in rented facilities—even in prisons and open fields

In countries where our work is banned, appreciative ones will risk their freedom in order to obey Jesus’ command

[Mention adjustments some in audience may have made in order to attend, and warmly commend them for making the effort]

Last year _____________________________ observed the Lord’s Evening Meal worldwide

Tonight we will briefly answer the following questions:

(1) Why do humans need to be delivered from the curse of sin and death?

(2) Who benefit from Jesus’ loving sacrifice?

(3) Who partake of the bread and the wine?

(4) Besides attending this meeting, what else must we do to show our appreciation for what Christ has done for us?

WHY WE NEEDED DELIVERANCE (7 min.)

The first man, Adam, had the prospect of living forever

His enjoyment of everlasting life was dependent on his obedience

By disobeying God, Adam personally lost the prospect of everlasting life

Later, when children were born to him, they came under the death sentence along with Adam [Read Romans 5:12]

Could righthearted descendants of Adam ever be delivered from the sad condition they inherited?

They could, by becoming part of a different family!

Obedient descendants of Adam can join Jesus’ family

Jesus is “the last Adam” (1Co 15:45)

The first Adam set his descendants on the path to destruction

The last Adam, Jesus, provided our deliverance through his obedience as far as death [Read Romans 5:19]

But why did Jesus have to die?

Not for any wrong he committed; Jesus was without sin (1Pe 2:22)

Jesus took our place, suffering death for us so that we could live forever [Read Hebrews 2:9]

It warms our heart to think that Jesus was willing to change places with us—to suffer and die so that we could have life!

But life where? In heaven or on earth?

WHO BENEFIT FROM JESUS’ LOVING SACRIFICE? (10 min.)

The Bible describes two destinies, or hopes, for faithful humans

A limited number will receive everlasting life in heaven; the vast majority will enjoy life on a paradise earth, according to God’s original purpose for mankind

Those with either hope can become members of God’s family

Those with a heavenly hope are called Christ’s “brothers” (Heb 2:17)

Those with an earthly hope, his children (Isa 9:6)

We can all decide whether to join God’s family or not, but we cannot choose where we will serve him, in heaven or on earth

Cannot ‘decide’ to be “born again” (Joh 3:5-8; w09 4/1 5-6)

Jehovah determines where we will best serve

144,000 will join Christ in heavenly Kingdom [Read Revelation 14:1]

They are all Christians, having the name of Jesus figuratively written on their foreheads

They also proudly bear “the name of his Father”—Jehovah

God’s spirit gives them personal assurance that they have the heavenly hope (Ro 8:15-17)

These partake of the bread and the wine

The vast majority of those attending the Lord’s Evening Meal do not have the heavenly hope

It thrills them to contemplate the blessings that God has in store for them on a paradise earth:

Children are eager for the fulfillment of Isaiah 11:6-9 [Read]

Sick or infirm yearn to see Isaiah 35:5, 6 come true [Read]

Family men look forward to the day when Isaiah 65:21-23 will become a reality [Read]

While on earth, Jesus healed the sick and even raised the dead

He longs to reverse the effects of Adam’s sin on the human race

Can you see yourself in the new world? God wants you to be there!

WHO SHOULD PARTAKE OF THE BREAD AND THE WINE? (4 min.)

Both those with the heavenly hope and those with the earthly hope benefit from Jesus’ sacrifice

However, those with the earthly hope do not partake of the emblems

Why not?

Because the bread and the wine represent Christ’s body and blood in a special sense:

Bread represents Jesus’ body given in behalf of anointed (w06 2/15 23, box; w85 2/15 12-13)

Wine represents Jesus’ blood as it applies to those in new covenant, the 144,000

Cup of wine represents new covenant (Lu 22:20)

The Lord’s Evening Meal will be observed as long as Christians with the heavenly hope are on earth [Read 1 Corinthians 11:26]

Once the Lord “arrives,” he will take the last of the 144,000 home to be with him in heaven (Joh 14:1-3)

Those with the earthly hope will no longer observe the Memorial

Will not partake of the emblems then, so do not partake now

OBSERVING THE MEMORIAL OF CHRIST’S DEATH TODAY (10 min.)

Tonight we will follow the pattern Jesus set for observing the Lord’s Evening Meal

[Read and comment briefly on 1 Corinthians 11:23, 24]

Jesus offered prayer and passed bread to 11 faithful apostles

Unleavened bread represents Jesus’ sinless body, given in behalf of his anointed followers

[Qualified brother offers brief prayer, and then the bread is passed; optional whether speaker comments while emblems are being served]

[Read and comment briefly on 1 Corinthians 11:25]

Jesus prayed and then offered wine to followers

Red wine pictures his precious “blood of the covenant” (Mt 26:28)

[Another qualified brother prays briefly, and then the wine is passed]

WHAT MUST WE DO TO SHOW OUR APPRECIATION? (8 min.)

Jehovah wants you to be a member of his family

Jesus’ sacrifice opened the way for you to have a precious relationship with your loving heavenly Father

You must obey the rules of the household (1Ti 3:14, 15)

God will help you to live by his standards—he wants you to succeed!

When you are discouraged, pour out your heart to him in earnest prayer

Build faith in God by taking in knowledge

The more you get to know about God and Christ, the more you will love them

Attend meetings regularly, not merely on special occasions, such as this one

It has been heartwarming for us to consider what Jesus did for us

In coming days and weeks, continue to reflect appreciatively on his sacrifice

[Conclude by reading 1 John 4:9]

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Why did Jesus have to suffer?? Something I never thought about.

by ttdtt in

something dawned on me last night.

jesus was suposed to be a corresponding sacrifice for adam right?.

a perfect life for a perfect life.

ttdtt

Its all just a pretty bad story.

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Why did Jesus have to suffer?? Something I never thought about.

by ttdtt in

something dawned on me last night.

jesus was suposed to be a corresponding sacrifice for adam right?.

a perfect life for a perfect life.

ttdtt

Something dawned on me last night. Jesus was suposed to be a corresponding sacrifice for Adam right?

A perfect life for a perfect life. Thats the exchange right?

The WT explanation of why Jesus had to actually SUFFER horrifically is this.

He thus proved that Adam too could have obeyed God if he had chosen to do so. By enduring under trial, Jesus left us a model to follow.

Of course the scriptures in the paragraph around those sentences have not answer the question that the sub heading poses.

WHY JESUS SUFFERED AND DIED

Adam - who he is swapping out his perfect life for - DID NOT SUFFER by a torturous execution.

Also hius test dealt with the temptation of eating an Fruit. I know this supposedly symbolized his desire to be independent (by the way a feeling that he could only have if god created him with it), but didn't Jesus pass that test when satan offered him the world?

So why did this Jesus - the perfect corresponding sacrifice (sacrifice as we have been taught is like for like - equals) - have to undergo something ADAM never did, nor was asked to do?

I guess it's like the old Tootsie Pop commercials.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8NniKYiy2I

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To those who attended, attendance up or down at your memorial?

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

interesting to see if there's a noticeable trend in memorial attendance.

also did they talk more then usual about ones not to partake?

ttdtt

Do people applaud or not applaud at your memorials generally (when the talk is over)?

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Pshycos! - 2016 "Remain Loyal to Jehovah" Regional Convention Program

by thedepressedsoul in

wow this is interesting!

i think how much emphasis this puts on "loyalty" shows their is an issue.

they're trying to plug the wholes as much and quickly as possible.

ttdtt

REALLY its 1984 Orwell (Newspeak)

FRIDAY
Chairman's Address: Jehovah Deserves "Undivided Loyalty"

Maintain Loyalty in – Thought! - Bellyfell - The word bellyfeel refers to a blind, enthusiastic acceptance of an idea.
Maintain Loyalty in – Word! -Newspeak "The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of IngSoc, but to make all other modes of thought impossible."
Maintain Loyalty in – Action! Blackwhite - A true Party member could automatically and without thought expunge any "incorrect" information and neatly replace it with "true" information. Done properly, there would be no recollection of the "incorrect" information. THUS falling in line with any ACTIONS that are asked of the member without there being any questioning or hesitation.

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Pshycos! - 2016 "Remain Loyal to Jehovah" Regional Convention Program

by thedepressedsoul in

wow this is interesting!

i think how much emphasis this puts on "loyalty" shows their is an issue.

they're trying to plug the wholes as much and quickly as possible.

ttdtt

1984 anyone?

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What would you do if you won a $300 million lottery

by LevelThePlayingField in

i would pay a highly rated, very expensive advertising company to run a 1 minute ad that ran nationwide primetime every night of the week until i spent $75 million of it telling how the wt was covering over pedophiles and for people to go to jwfacts.com for the truth about the truth.

it would be done in very good taste, way better than political ads.

i would spare no expense.

ttdtt

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