hi all , because i'm useless and can't be bothered studying, i need some rebuttals for the excuses given in this week's bs , (i love how the acronym matches its origin) my uber dub father pleaded with me to study this week's book study as it addresses my issues with them being directed by holy spirit etc and how jah reveals things progressively , problem is i know there's a great argument to put fwd with proper preparation but i'm onto my 2nd drink of the evening and can't be assed , please unload some smoking guns i can take with me tomorrow .
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Ask him WHY would god ever give his people WRONG information? Why would he reveal something he knows is wrong?
Why did it take 100 Years to identify the FDS (the only important thing about 1914-1919? Would that not have been right from the beginning?
If its progressive - why did some many things go back and forth?
i think that few parts of the bible can make you atheist or at least agnostic or at least kill your belief in the bible as infallible or the work of a loving god as comparing 2 samuel 24 with 1 chronicles 21. most people focus on the 1st verse, but there are at least 4 major and 1 minor contradiction in the chapter (they are parallel accounts).in the new world translation, 2 samuel 24 starts like this:.
24 and again the anger of jehovah came to be hot against israel, when one incited david against them, saying: “go, take a count of israel and judah.” .
notice that it is an impersonal "one" who incited david to do the census.
How about this one - Moses is given full credit for writing Deuteronomy.
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001163
How did he write about his death and burial and how no one knows where his grave it till this day?
Deut 34: 5 After that Moses the servant of Jehovah died there in the land of Moʹab just as Jehovah had said.+ 6 He buried him in the valley in the land of Moʹab, opposite Beth-peʹor, and nobody knows where his grave is down to this day.+ 7 Moses was 120 years old at his death.+ His eyes had not grown dim, and his strength had not departed. 8 The people of Israel wept for Moses on the desert plains of Moʹab for 30 days.+ Then the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were completed.
anyone else hear about this.
as all j-dubs know, whenever someone complains about how long the "new system" is taking too arrive, they use the excuse that jehovah works on his own time.
quite a few times during the public talks, i've heard speakers say the phrase "1000 years to us is only one day to jehovah" (my parents never stop talking about this).
Rest of the scripture says - "a day is like a 1000 years"
So at best the scriptures means time is irrelevant but I have never heard the 2nd half of the scripture mentioned on the platform (except by me).
i remember a roman catholic priest acknowledging on the bbc that the outrageously anti-clerical tv comedy father ted was a humorous mocking of his church but an acceptable thing.. try mocking the jw religion to a believer and the result is so very different.. just why is it that jehovah's witnesses can never take even the faintest hint of criticism of their religion?.
In general - people with weak arguments tend to react emotionally and oftentimes belligerent when challenges.
I dont know a single JW who could use the bible to explain 1914 - overlapping generations - or the scriptural justification for a GB.
i remember a few years back at a circuit assembly, a few bros were introducing themselves to the co, they made sure to mention that they were an ms or an elder from such and such cong.
i was also an ms, but was the only one that introduced themselves by just my first name.
i was so irritated and blown away at the arrogance by these bros, trying to impress men with titles!
I think the announcements at the Conventions and Assemblies is more about adding weight to the words the guy is going to say, and not an ego thing. (By the way its in the instructions for the talks and for the chairman)
Having been a speaker at many conventions, and being involved on different levels, I am pretty shure its not what you are thinking, though you could tell some elders LOVED that, and some did NOT want any attention.
'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.
shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.
that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.
What it all means is that any Judicial Committee is at best a Coin Toss.
All depends on the Elders you get - the mood they are in - the last Committee they were on - and how good an Actor you are.
i have two questions.
1. if you work on kingdom hall construction, are you allowed to count your time in lieu of field service?
an old thread here indicated that if you are pioneer, you can count your time.
You are not able to deduct personal MEALS as an expense in the USA for taxes.
If you were hosting a business meeting with a client or potential client you could deduct 1/3 of that meal.
for years theologians and historians have researched who the historical person known as jesus was and how much of the biblical account could be verified.
countless books have been written going into great detail.
this has been a controversial subject with some even claiming that jesus never existed.
Well how can you refute: William Durrant born in 1885,
Albert Einstein the world leader in historical studies born 1879,
Rudolf Bultmann professor of a false religion born 1884,
and Michael Grant author born in 1914.
I mean really - what better spokesmen for facts on this matter could you have?
Next month will feature Proof the World is Flat using the unimpeachable testimony of Hecataeus of Miletus!
Stay Tuned!
jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.
they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.
they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?
We are all now under Satans Control!
the last talk at the assembly made an interesting statement, "we can show faith by following direction if we're asked to move to another kingdom hall for better use of dedicated christian funds".
this statement has everyone talking.
i spoke to multiple individuals and they heard the same thing at different assembly's.. i know they have been "evaluating" all kingdom halls the last year or two.
I have also heard from reliable sources that Jersey City Assembly Hall is on the chopping block.
They thought about selling it in the past as well, but it is a HARD sell. The building is protected as a historic site, and anyone who buys it - must keep it generally as is. So it would have to be a theater or something serving the same use really.
PLUS - it's a giant Money Maker for them.
They have over 40 assemblies a year there and congregations that meet weekly.
Can you say CONTRIBUTIONS!
It always startled me why having a 2 day assembly cost us about 20K?
Does the heating air and maintenance really cost that much? NO.
