What is their option - seriously.
Say - oh we were wrong - no DFing - no Service - no need to meet all the time....
Org over, and they are on the street instead of being treated like kings.
surely these men must see what's going on.
if they can afford fancy pinky rings, they must have smart phones.
if they have smart phones, they must be inquisitive as to how they are perceived.
What is their option - seriously.
Say - oh we were wrong - no DFing - no Service - no need to meet all the time....
Org over, and they are on the street instead of being treated like kings.
(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).
“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.
many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.
@waton
I recommend you do a little reading about - not how we can fit god into what we know - because that is already skewing your investigation because you will make things fit - but of real hard science. (Deepak Chopra does not qualify:) )
Also BIG POINT. I know FEW people who have ANY understanding of what they hear dealing with - cosmology - quantum mechanics - or particle physics.
Information from these area are often used as PROOF of a god... and it is almost ALWAYS a complete misunderstanding of the facts. This is not because people are dumb or devious, but that they would be better apt at understanding brain surgery than those areas of knowledge.
IT IS FAR TO COMPLEX!!! FYI there are only 7000 astrophysicist in the world.
I love science and I literally am reading books on those topics ALL THE TIME, and I know I don't understand more than the concepts.
Good books if you want to get a base to have your arguments spring from are below.
i've seen discussions here about how jehovah's witnesses seem to be prone to believing conspiracy theories... https://digest.bps.org.uk/2017/04/05/why-more-highly-educated-people-are-less-into-conspiracy-theories/.
this last paragraph seems particularly relevant:.
importantly, van prooijen said his findings help make sense of why education can contribute to “a less paranoid society” even when conspiracy theories are not explicitly challenged.
Educated people TEND to be able to think critically more often and in greater depth than those who have little education.
see what bridget azaz did!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzbe5yo7uq4.
You can can make the bible support any point you want, take any side in any argument you want.
ITs Total Cacca
it finally hit me today.
why do religions enjoy shunning.
because many people feel like being close to god makes them special however just being special is not enough for many religious people that shun they must feel extra special how?
I always saw it as a 2 combined reasons.
1. FEAR - dont get your koodies on me and dont want the elders to give me a hard time.
2. SUPERIORITY - JWs use everything to feel like they are BETTER than someone else. Privileges, service, that they are stricter with movies, they live in a worse hovel, dont wear tight clothing....
(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).
“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.
many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.
Its not even if there is a god (which I don't believe there is), but why I am certain that a god NEVER communicated with humans.
If a god ever did communicate with humans - these 3 things would be absolutely true.
1. It would be Indisputable. No one would doubt the message was from a deity.
2. It would be Unambiguous. Everyone would know exactly what was being said and asked. You would not have every third person interpret it in their own way.
3. It would be Globally Accepted.
Since none of these things apply to any holy writing - I know that no deity has communicated with humans.
it's been brought to my attention that there are xjw that say they support the witnesses and don't think russia should ban them.
i would just like to remind all of you that jws are guilty of murder, causing higher rates of suicide, covering up child molestation, and keeping members in prisoned because if they leave they loose family, financial support, possible employment etc.. sure their not strapping bombs to their chests but they easily get members to kill themselves with their blood policies.
they are an extremist group!
If you are talking about Cedars, he is NO apologist.
i've been thinking about this the past few days and curious what the honest consensus is here just for fun.. show of hands,.
is the governing body.... a: completely sincere.
they really do believe what they teach.. b: somewhat sincere.
I used to - but not any more - to much that shows they know what they are doing.
this past year has been the most life changing year anyone could ever go through.
waking up, leaving the cult, separating from my wife, research, research, research, reading, pondering etc.
and i've found myself having to re-learn and re-evaluate everything i thought i knew.
@pale.emperor
THANKS!
Yea it took a while to come to those conclusion - though they are slap you in the face obviously.
this past year has been the most life changing year anyone could ever go through.
waking up, leaving the cult, separating from my wife, research, research, research, reading, pondering etc.
and i've found myself having to re-learn and re-evaluate everything i thought i knew.
So my conclusion is this.
Not even if there is a god (which I don't believe there is), but why I am certain that a god NEVER communicated with humans.
If a god ever did communicate with humans - these 3 things would be absolutely true.
1. It would be Indisputable. No one would doubt the message was from a deity.
2. It would be Unambiguous. Everyone would know exactly what was being said and asked. You would not have every third person interpret it in their own way.
3. It would be Globally Accepted.
Since none of these things apply to any holy writing - I know that no deity has communicated with humans.