Posts by dropoffyourkeylee

the "q&c" questions and comments section of the journal 'biblical archaeology review' (one of my favorite magazines), jan/feb 2013 , p. 68, someone from illinois wrote the following question:.

quote: "we've often heard that 'jehovah' is an amalgamation of the unpronounced tetragrammaton (yhwh) and, when spoken, is pronounced "lord" (adonai).

For the benefit of many of the viewers of JWN who may not be aware of the issues, here are a few of my comments. I'm sure this has been discussed here before, but for a scholar to address the issue in a recent issue of the Biblical Archaeology Review it is time to bring it up again.

The name represented by the tetragrammaton YHWH is, as JWs are fond of pointing out, found in the Old Testament (OT) over 7000 times, and the New World Translation (NWT) places the divine name, spelled 'Jehovah', in each of those 7000+ places. However in the New Testament (NT), the original language Greek contains the divine name ..... how many times? --ZERO-- that's right the name YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah has NEVER been found in any Greek NT manuscript. Yet you will find the name Jehovah in the NWT Greek Scriptures over 240 times, where the WT translator has taken it upon himself to guess where he could put it. The insertion of 'Jehovah' in the NWT Greek Scriptures is one of the most blatently dishonest things the WT has ever done.

The WT argument has been that Jesus used the divine name in everyday speech. This is their belief, but no reputable scholar has ever supported them in this. The WT had the nerve to quote George Howard of the University of Georgia (now deceased) to support their decision, in the appendix to the study edition of the NWT. Mr Howard later went on camera and lambasted the WT for quoting him out of context. He was pissed.

The point of the original post is that a recent scholar, Mr. Tigay, also does not support the WT view, and although he leaves it open for more discussion, he believes that the divine name was not uttered by first century Jews such as Jesus.

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OK, spill the beans, which one of us wrote into Biblical Archaeology Review this month about the pronunciation of YHWH?

by dropoffyourkeylee in

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here's the subject:.

the "q&c" questions and comments section of the journal 'biblical archaeology review' (one of my favorite magazines), jan/feb 2013 , p. 68, someone from illinois wrote the following question:.

quote: "we've often heard that 'jehovah' is an amalgamation of the unpronounced tetragrammaton (yhwh) and, when spoken, is pronounced "lord" (adonai).

dropoffyourkeylee

OK no reponses besides Satan (thanks Bro)

Here is the last paragraph of the 4 paragraph response from the 'BAR' writer Jeffrey Tigay, Prof of Hebrew and Semitic Languages ... at Univ of Pennsylvania:

"We can't pinpoint exactly when Adonai came to be the preferred substitute, but it is likely that Jews of the first century, including Jesus and his followers, did use this or another substitute."

translation: Tigay is saying that Jesus did NOT say YHWH, Yahweh, or any equivalent, but used the words that were substituted, like Adonai

Thank you , Jeff Tigay!

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OK, spill the beans, which one of us wrote into Biblical Archaeology Review this month about the pronunciation of YHWH?

by dropoffyourkeylee in

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friends

here's the subject:.

the "q&c" questions and comments section of the journal 'biblical archaeology review' (one of my favorite magazines), jan/feb 2013 , p. 68, someone from illinois wrote the following question:.

quote: "we've often heard that 'jehovah' is an amalgamation of the unpronounced tetragrammaton (yhwh) and, when spoken, is pronounced "lord" (adonai).

dropoffyourkeylee

Here's the subject:

The "Q&C" Questions and Comments section of the journal 'Biblical Archaeology Review' (one of my favorite magazines), Jan/Feb 2013 , p. 68, someone from Illinois wrote the following question:

Quote: "We've often heard that 'Jehovah' is an amalgamation of the unpronounced Tetragrammaton (YHWH) and, when spoken, is pronounced "Lord" (Adonai). Dd this start as a rabbinic practice? Would Jews of the first century, including Jesus and his followers, have avoided saying YHWH out loud? Can you explain this?"

OK, fess up! Only an Ex-JW would write this using this wording! Who was it?

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'Our Friend Sparlock' DVD is about to get the AX

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letter was read yesterday that the 'listen, obey' dvd (featuring sparlock) will no longer be produced starting in january, 2013 (midwest us).

the content will be available only on line at jw.org.

future releases of video or songs in the same series will also be available only online.

dropoffyourkeylee

Letter was read yesterday that the 'Listen, Obey' DVD (featuring Sparlock) will no longer be produced starting in January, 2013 (midwest US). The content will be available only on line at jw.org. Future releases of video or songs in the same series will also be available only online. There will be something released about every month at that source.

This gives them the ability to edit/delete the Sparlock scenes from the online version. How much you want to bet that Sparlock gets the ax?

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What strand of Christianity gave birth to WTBTS?

by Band on the Run in

i know about johnathan edwards and william miller being some of the forerunners of the wtbts.

how about much earlier in time?

was there a group during the middle ages or even earlier that preached something similar to the wt doctrine?

dropoffyourkeylee

Protestant Tree

If you look at this sideways, it looks like a Menorah! That proves it, and there are 10 arrows, representing the 10 lost tribe of Israel! Wow the things you learn on JWD

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Baptismal Questions CHANGE AGAIN!

by raymond frantz in

i attended recently a circuit assembly and notice a change in the wording of the 2nd baptismal question .it used to be :.

"do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of jehovah's witnesses in association with god's spirit-directed organization?

now they changed it to :.

dropoffyourkeylee

I find this hilarious from maisha's post;

spiritual direction being provided by an ecclesiastical Governing Body, the Worldwide Order of Special Full time Servants of Jehovah’s Witnesses

They are essentially saying they are like the catholic church and their people are like monks in a monastery. I know they are just presenting it this way for legal reasons to get them in the country, but it's ridiculous. I've know a number of Bethelites in my time and they're no monks.

Question: religious ministers who have made a vow of obedience and poverty

Is this for real? Do they really have to make a vow? What if they have money in the bank, for whatever reason, inheritance, etc. do they turn it over or what?

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My mother passed away this morning...

by Tatiana in

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for any old-school ex-jws here that remember my many posts about my abusive jw mother and my sister committing suicide because of it...she passed away this morning because she began to bleed out and refused a transfusion.

she had been in the hospital for a month.

it appears she suffered a stroke and wasn't found by the brothers & sisters for three days (they missed her at the meetings).

dropoffyourkeylee

My mom passed in '08 and it changed my life. I had never until then seen someone die while I was holding their hand and looking them in the eye. I'll never be the same.

deepest condolences, Tat

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As of September 2012,20 branch offices are CLOSING DOWN

by raymond frantz in

fresh out of the jw.org website http://www.jw.org/en/news/by-region/world/jehovahs-witnesses-office-consolidation/ .

the society as from september 2012 is closing 20 branches worldwide .the best bit is the last paragraph :.

workers are available to spend more time preachingbecause of the mergers, qualified ministers who had been serving in small branches can now concentrate on preaching the good news.. a witness in africa, who was reassigned to the preaching activity, wrote: "adjusting my lifestyle to suit the new circumstances was a challenge during the first few months.

dropoffyourkeylee

Please, can anyone point out any African Branch that was closed? Then we figure out what statement that brother in question refers to.

The JW site in the original post has an accompanying map which seems to show the locations. The African one is somewhere near Nigeria.

Given that we have known about the Central America-to-Mexico consolidation for quite a while, I am uncertain how much of this is news, and how much is just a repeat of last years news.