Posts by dropoffyourkeylee

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HELP NEEDED: In publications, reference to suffering due to DF/DS

by EdenOne in

hello everyone.. i need your help again.. please point me to instances in the publications of the watchtower (video links also valuable) where there is evidence of the watchtower's awareness that shunning inflicts suffering / damage to the excommunicated and to family members, friends, fellow witnesses, friends .... .... or that shunning is designed to cause distress and suffering to the excommunicated (with the purpose to hammer him/her back into submission).. .... or that shunning treatment is objectively and purposely a differentiated treatment vis a vis to what treatment is given to unbelievers in general.. i need to be able to locate those publications in the wol, and then find the portuguese version of it, to then print.. thank you in advance for your help.

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dropoffyourkeylee

WT quotation from SBF's post:

"The Christian congregation is our spiritual family. When someone is disfellowshipped, he is no longer a part of that family. After experiencing the results of his bad conduct, he may realize his mistake and remember how much happier he was when he had a good relationship with Jehovah and the congregation. This may encourage him to come back to his spiritual family."

The outrageous thing about the WT arguments supporting shunning is that they always present it as someone with 'bad behavior' or 'bad conduct'. Sure, there are examples of people who go off the rails and find themselves in trouble, but the vast majority in my experience are people who don't find the religion satisfying or believable and just want to move on in their lives. This is especially true of young ones who were baptized at an early age when they hadn't thought through the consequences. Later as they reach adult age they start thinking for themselves and decide differently. They do something which breaks some minor WT rule and get disfellowshipped. The shunning policy is a grave injustice.

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What WT Children's Book Were You Studied With As A Child?

by Sea Breeze in

my mom studied with me in the paradise book before i went to kindergarten.

i remember the book vividly.

it creeped me out as a kid.

dropoffyourkeylee

My mother studied the Let God Be True book and was baptized around '63. It was the brown version of that book that she used. She was a voracious reader, and I recall the sister who studied with her would bring bound volumes of previous years, and mom would go through the whole thing.

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Can a person order a free bible through the JWs?

by jwundubbed in

i was researching the easiest bible to read (which the jw bible is not) and the best way to buy one online at low cost and it got me thinking.

the jw.org is doing videos and has a website.

have they joined the order-online phenomenon that is going on in the world today?

dropoffyourkeylee

My wife is writing letters, in which they often include one of the super-thin tracts they make now. I think they will occasionally mail out a WT or Awake on request, but I'm pretty sure anything bigger than that (like a Bible) they would not mail.

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What Was Your Most Memorable Field Service Experience?

by Sea Breeze in

me: selling the wt and awake for 10 cents at 5 years old.

i don't mean to brag or anything, but i sold 'em like hotcakes.

i musta been a cutie at 5 yo.

dropoffyourkeylee

I've done my best to forget it. I truly detested the field service.

I was told, 'Try pioneering for a year, you'll never regret it". Well I did it, and it was awful. I do regret it.

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You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

by Listener in

kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

dropoffyourkeylee

Thanks JeffT for your level-headed comments and research. People like to jump on circumstantial evidence to support their already-arrived-at conclusions; it takes careful thought and research to get to the correct answer.

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Beyond the Watchtower

by BereanThinker7 in

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203474749415.

im a watchtower/bible students history nerd.

i find the movement that engulfed my entire family fascinating.

dropoffyourkeylee

It says it is from 1982. I've never heard of it before, so I am likewise a little curious.

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Do the dubs do the songs at the Zoom Meetings?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

any takers?

dropoffyourkeylee

Having multiple people singing while not on mute would be a disaster, with slow connections and echoing. Unworkable to have everyone with live mikes.

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Do the dubs do the songs at the Zoom Meetings?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

any takers?

dropoffyourkeylee

They sing along at home with the recording while on mute.

Speaking of dress, they had a local needs on my wife's zoom this week about the zoom meetings being formal and proper meeting attire was recommended. They also kind of came down on brother's having beards on the zoom, which being the US midwest, is seen as improper for some reason.

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Eye-Opener

by ElderStuckin in

each eye-opener in my awakening had nothing to do with apostates.

it was always by looking directly at the so-called spiritual food that helped me awaken.. in 2019 they changed the wording of the second of two baptismal questions which are answered aloud before the audience.

now i realize that these questions have been adjusted over the years.

dropoffyourkeylee

After the 1980-81 purge at Bethel and the later publication of Ray Franz's two books, there were several things which the WT did to do address what they perceived to be issues and to tighten down on further breakaways. One was the change to baptism question 2 to mention the organization. A few others were replacing the AID book with the Insight volumes, the new Organization book, the Unity book, the big Green JW history book (the name escapes me at the moment).

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Eye-Opener

by ElderStuckin in

each eye-opener in my awakening had nothing to do with apostates.

it was always by looking directly at the so-called spiritual food that helped me awaken.. in 2019 they changed the wording of the second of two baptismal questions which are answered aloud before the audience.

now i realize that these questions have been adjusted over the years.

dropoffyourkeylee

The wording has been changed a couple of times. I'm pretty sure the questions I asserted to in the '70s made no mention of any organization.