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  How can you have a deficit for a Circuit Assembly on Zoom??

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  remember when after a circuit assembly the assembly overseer would come out right before the end of the assembly and make a special announcement;.

  "brothers, we have a financial deficit of $5,000 dollars for our circuit assembly.

  keep in mind that we have utilities and other expenses that need to be met.

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  I think they have a set amount of 'worldwide work' donation, sort of a quota, that they consider a fixed expense. It has little or nothing to do with the expenses that are directly attributable to the event. They also are still having to maintain their assembly halls, which are virtually unused but still need minimal heating and cooling, etc., so it is likely that they are collecting for those expenses.

  In this area (midwest US) they had the assembly hall for sale for several years but no one would buy it. It is located so far out in the rurals with poor access to highways that it is essentially an unsaleable property.
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  Watchtower Disparages the Bible

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm looking for wts quotations that contrast with ii timothy 3:15-16 whereby they downplay scripture.. here is one from way back..

  "...people cannot see the divine plan in studying the bible by itself...if he then lays them [scripture studies] aside and ignores them and goes to the bible alone, though he has understood his bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness.

  on the other hand, if he had merely read the scripture studies with their references, and had not read a page of the bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the scriptures," (watchtower, sept. 15, 1910, p. 298).

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  My own observation is that the JWs typically follow Russell's 1910 advice anyway. Very very few JWs read the Bible contiguously from front to back, or even any of the individual books from beginning to end. If they did, they would soon realize how wrong the JW theology is. But they do read the WT literature, discuss the exact wording amongst themselves, etc. I thought when the 2013 revision occurred, resulting in a Bible with comparatively more readable form, more JWs would do such Bible reading, but apparently I was wrong.
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  Dune (1984) - er, yeah, lol

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  so, i saw dune (1984) yesterday.

  i knew it wasn't gonna be great, but deary me.

  i'm not gonna lie - this film is not good, in fact it's laughably bad in places.. first, i'd like to know the thought process that went behind choosing david lynch to write/direct.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Thanks for the link JeffT
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  Dune (1984) - er, yeah, lol

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  so, i saw dune (1984) yesterday.

  i knew it wasn't gonna be great, but deary me.

  i'm not gonna lie - this film is not good, in fact it's laughably bad in places.. first, i'd like to know the thought process that went behind choosing david lynch to write/direct.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Frank Herbert wrote the first six of the series. I have read all of these six. The remaining books, I'm not sure how many, quite a few, were co-written by Herbert's son and another writer. I haven't read any of those.

  The first one comes across as a star wars-type adventure with a hero's story, but as you make your way through the rest, you realize it is a harshly critical portrayal or societal problems, placed in a science-fiction universe. Heroes, charismatic leaders, use of religion as a control mechanism, ecological disaster, sexual roles, you name it, Herbert really had a lot of social commentary.

  Some, after reading the first novel, have claimed it was just another version of the White Savior theme. Just reading the first one might give that impression, but the remaining novels, if read, make it clearer that it is a criticism and damnation of the charismatic leader theme.
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  I showed on of my JW (True Believers) that Kingdom Halls will be opening soon. He had a fit!

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i showed one of my older uncles the link on jw.org.. https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/global/the-governing-body-announces-that-some-in-person-meetings-will-resume-in-select-areas/.

  keep in mind that this is one of the relatives that is a true believer and used every excuse you can think of for the cancellation of all kingdom hall meetings.

  and he also used every scriptural argument you can make up to justify the end of the door to door ministry.

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  In some parts of the world, many people do not have electricity, let alone internet and ipads, etc. So they have been basically without meetings at all. Maybe these places are what they are planning to reopen.
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  The "Regular Pioneer" title has now become a total joke

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we just had our co visit a few weeks ago.

  apparently, he was encouraging all who could to regular pioneer, to at least try it out for a year.

  because of this, we had a few people in our hall become one.. so this weekend we were on zoom service, and the sister that was just appointed was talking about it.

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  True, and we were told to keep our time slips as proof that we were ministers, in case we were drafted.

  I am in full agreement with this. I have always believed that the pioneer status was invented primarily for this reason, to provide written evidence to the US draft board that the person is a 'minister'. The court records of the 1954 Walsh case make it clear. Likewise for the Ministry School, invented to give some evidence that they had received training in the ministry. Admittedly the draft issue has receded in the US, and the pioneer status has kind of morphed into something else over the years, but at its origin it was all about the draft issue.
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  Did you encounter any dishonest/shady business owners inside your local Kingdom Hall?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower—study edition | december 2021.

  7 a merchant might take pride in the fact that he had never taken anything that did not belong to him.

  but what about his business practices?

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  One elder I knew very well made a career of taking advantage of the brotherhood. It was sort of a captive market for him, selling them cars, computers, etc, or renting one of his many rentals to them. I can't say it was illegal, but just seemed wrong and a misuse of a position of trust.
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  Dune (1984) - er, yeah, lol

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  so, i saw dune (1984) yesterday.

  i knew it wasn't gonna be great, but deary me.

  i'm not gonna lie - this film is not good, in fact it's laughably bad in places.. first, i'd like to know the thought process that went behind choosing david lynch to write/direct.

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  The 1984 Dune was pretty lame, I have to admit, but I still found it interesting to watch.

  There is a brand new Dune movie out this year, though, which some are saying is really a good adaptation of the book Dune. I think it covers the first half of the book, and another movie is planned/hoped for. I don't think it is released yet in the US, but it has been released elsewhere already.

  I've become a fan of Quinn's Ideas, a youtuber with a lot of enthusiasm for science fiction. He has rekindled my interest in Dune, prompting me to reread some of the novels.
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  The "Regular Pioneer" title has now become a total joke

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we just had our co visit a few weeks ago.

  apparently, he was encouraging all who could to regular pioneer, to at least try it out for a year.

  because of this, we had a few people in our hall become one.. so this weekend we were on zoom service, and the sister that was just appointed was talking about it.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  I recall getting reduced prices for literature, and for subscriptions, when I pioneered (early '80's). I don't remember getting discount on food at assemblies, but it might have been. It has been so long ago.
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  The 2020 Census of American Religion 07.08.2021

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.prri.org/research/2020-census-of-american-religion/.

  more than one-third of muslims (39%), white mainline protestants (37%), buddhists (37%), and the religiously unaffiliated (36%) have at least a four-year college degree.

  another 19% are catholic, 2% are latter-day saint, and less than 1% each are jehovah’s witnesses or orthodox christians.

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  o me the biggest surprise here is slowing growth of the 'Unaffiliated' group, which has been on an upward trajectory for years