Posts by dropoffyourkeylee

those who have read raymond franz's 'crisis of conscience' will have heard the story about dan sydlik's remark about the need to 'open some windows to let some air in here'.

A little off topic, but I looked through Bishop Ussher's chronology (a recent reprint with modern readable print) and was simply astounded with the volume of work and detail in it. Lots of errors I'm sure, but for the mid 1600's it was really impressive. I think we tend to underestimate the impact Ussher had on religious thought since then, especially apocalyptic movements. It may be rash to surmise, but likely Adventism, Russelism, and the JWs wouldn't have come to be except for Ussher.

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What could it be?

by RolRod in

in a previous thread i mentioned how the society took down the pyramid monument at rosemont cemetary in pittsburgh.

well now there's something being built on the same site.

i'm thinking a high watchtower monument.

dropoffyourkeylee

I am beginning to think they will put back the pyramid, or at least the undamaged parts with replaced parts. It wasn't a single piece of rock, but was made in slabs tilted together and fastened in some way. From the photos a few months ago when they took it down it looked like there were parts cracked from the vandalism.

I view it as an interesting example of grave art. It would be a shame if it were not put back in some fashion.

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Missionaries in Mali.

by Lost in the fog in

i don't think the gb at wt will pay for their release like the pope did for the nun.

they better say their goodbyes.. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story/2022-05-20/3-italians-1-togolese-abducted-in-southern-mali-says-mayor .

dropoffyourkeylee

I wonder if they are WT-supported missionaries or need-greaters. If the latter, they are on their own. I have heard that in some muslim countries they have to preach only to those already Christian, and even have to live under an alias.

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Allegheny Pyramid Desecrated

by RolRod in

sometime within the last 2 weeks, someone took a sledgehammer to the pyramid monument in allegheny.

they stole the topstone, smashed the cross and crown emblem and removed the seal.. personally i'm surprised it lasted this long untouched.

although through the years russell's grave has been vandalized, it was always repaired by the bible students..

dropoffyourkeylee

Russell's actual headstone is still intact, and appears in the previous photo on the front left. I am beginning to think they may actually put the pyramid back in some altered state. Parts of it were damaged after all and would need either repaired (never easy to do with stone) or replicated.

Grave art is a field of study all its own, and this pyramid was/is an interesting example.

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Allegheny Pyramid Desecrated

by RolRod in

sometime within the last 2 weeks, someone took a sledgehammer to the pyramid monument in allegheny.

they stole the topstone, smashed the cross and crown emblem and removed the seal.. personally i'm surprised it lasted this long untouched.

although through the years russell's grave has been vandalized, it was always repaired by the bible students..

dropoffyourkeylee

Reddit post is reporting some work at the site of Russell's missing pyramid:

edited to add 'photo by Timothy Thompson'

r/exjw - There is some sort of construction work going on where Charles Taze Russell's monument once stood. Photos courtesy of Timothy Thompson

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Verifying The Claim The IBSA ,not JW ,were approved by Jehovah God / Christ Jesus as God`s Chosen People in 1919 ??

by smiddy3 in

how do they verify this claim,if they can and how easy do we debunk this claim if we can ?.

what is needed to verify a claim made by anyone or an organization ?.

i`m interested in what you have to say about this ..

dropoffyourkeylee

Neither organization was chosen by God for anything. The claim a complete fabrication.

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Rutherford's Coup

by RolRod in

a new book on the events of the 1917 schism titled rutherford's coup is officially out on amazon.. authored by rud persson.

description.

raised a baptist, in 1906, joseph franklin rutherford, a provincial missouri attorney with a shrewd and scheming legal mind, became a baptized “bible student.” in 1907, rutherford became the legal counselor for the group's legally chartered corporation, the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.

dropoffyourkeylee

Curious, at one time in my life I was really interested in the post 1917 period of WT history, and even toyed with the idea I might write a book on it sometime. Looks like someone beat me to it. Good thing, I don't think I would have done a good job anyway.

I was convinced that a most of the things I really hated about the religion came from that time period and were the result of Rutherford. I collected and read much of the Bible Student literature available at the time. Even had all the Epiphany Studies by PSL Johnson. Reading all that stuff gives context to the rantings of Rutherford. There was definitely a rivalry between Rutherford and the Bible Student leaders for the minds and hearts of the Bible Students. I still believe, for instance, that Rutherford's choice of the name 'Jehovah's Witness' came out of this confrontational environment. He wanted to 1) differentiate the WT-associated Bible Students from the rest of the Bible Student groups, and 2) find a clever way to explain away what the 'Witness' of Jehovah was, since the name previously had been applied only to the Great Pyramid, one of Russell's beliefs which Rutherford rejected (at least he was correct to ditch the Pyramid crazies).